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TreyMoran TreyMoran

posted on March 1, 2011

We recently found out that my Great Great Grandfather was Choctaw. His name was William Moran. His parents were Moreoja Moran (1830 Manitoba, Dakota Territory) and Mary (1832 Manitoba, Dakota Territory) The story is he killed a man in a bar, fled, swam across the Red River to Texas where he met and married Annie Gertrude Scarborough. The bar was owned by his father. I found his Dawes card information and 2 items from Fort Smith where he was arrested. I am going to the National Archives to get copies of these documents. Native American research is new to me. Are there any records that might show the bar where this happened(i.e. property ownership records)… this had to have happened between 1894 and 1896 as far as I can tell. Would there have been record of a murder? The story says it was in Marietta Oklahoma which makes sense as it is close to the Red River.

TreyMoran TreyMoran

posted on March 1, 2011 and updated on March 1, 2011

Also, his Dawes application shows Choctaw but the Manitoba, Dakota Territory makes me think he may have actually been Sioux.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 2, 2011

you can look at historical newspapers. the fort smith records will give you some information, but not genealogical information. see your local public library about the interlibrary loan program.

you will want to look at databases and rolls, native census records. if his parents were born in dakota territory in the 1830’s, this would be very unusual for the choctaw. they were usually in reservations in the southeast at the time.

i would agree with your reasoning about sioux or a tribe around the dakota area.

fort smith criminal cases:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/fortsmithresults.php?s_last=moran&s_first=
directions on how to order them are here.

To order copies of a Fort Smith criminal case file, indicate that the case is a Fort Smith criminal case, and provide the name of the defendant and the jacket number. Provide the crime as well if known. Copies cost $10.00 minimum up to 20 pages, $0.50 per page thereafter. Payment can be made by check, money order, or credit card. Do not send cash. Payment must be exact, so credit card payments generally are the most convenient. Please make your requests in writing. Requests are accepted via fax, e-mail, or regular mail. Within the United States, overnight delivery is available for an extra $4.00. Please state in your request that you would like this feature and provide your street address and phone number. Please NOTE: No P.O. Box numbers are accepted.

NARA’s Southwest Region (Fort Worth) (NRFFA), 1400 John Burgess Street, Fort Worth, TX 76140 PHONE: 817-551-2051, FAX: 817-551-2034, EMAIL: ftworth.archives@nara.gov

Ft Smith Criminal Records Results
Total Records: 2 Last First Charge Year Jacket Aka Etal Unk
Moran William Debt 1882 403 M650
Moran William Larceny 1882 139 M650

i am not seeing a dawes application for him.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
you can click on the # in the card column and see the family group.
p=parent

1900 United States Federal Census
about William Moran
Name: William Moran
[William Maran]
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 1, Newton, Texas
[Newton, Texas]
Age: 40
Birth Date: Feb 1854
Birthplace: Indian Ter
[Indiana;Texas]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Indian Ter
Mother’s Birthplace: Teritory
Spouse’s Name: Annie Moran
Marriage Year: 1893
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Moran 40
Annie Moran 27
Uarda Moran 5
Henry L Moran 5
Hattie S Moran 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 1, Newton, Texas; Roll: T623_1662; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 51.
is this him?

i suppose indian territory could be dakota territory.
he’s a teamster and rents the house.

1880 United States Federal Census
about William Moran
Name: William Moran
Home in 1880: Richland, Dakota Territory
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Dakota
Relation to Head of Household: Son
Father’s Name: Moreoja Moran
Father’s birthplace: Manatoba
Mother’s Name: Mary Moran
Mother’s birthplace: Dakota
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farm Laborer
Marital Status: Single
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Moreoja Moran 50
Mary Moran 48
William Moran 21
Ellen Moran 19
Jerry Moran 18
Frank Moran 12
James Moran 8
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Richland, Dakota Territory; Roll: 114; Family History Film: 1254114; Page: 160A; Enumeration District: 55; .

moreoja was a farmer.
you know some canadian natives came down in this area. we thought there was a border but natives had free roam in this area before we thought so.

william moran b. 1859 dakota territory
moreoja moran b. 1830 dakota territory? CANADA?
mary b. 1832?
siblings: ellen b. 1861, jerry b. 1862, frank b. 1868

i’m not seeing them in the 1870 census in dakota territory but they might have been on reservation at that time. native census records were kept separately. see access genealogy for that. NARA also has those.

the irish were coming over around the time of william’s birth. moran is an irish surname. if i were you, i’d look closely at the father’s name and see whether there might be a mistranscription.

how did you find the annie scarborough record?
texas land records were kept by county at that time, unless it was an original homestead.
there might be a license for the bar business at the county too.

i don’t have enough information to go further.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

TreyMoran TreyMoran

posted on March 2, 2011

Thank you for the information. I went to the NARA office in Fort Worth today and found the Dawes application and packet for the card that was referenced. The actual application was for Mary Moran-Izard who was the Daughter of Willam and Sallie Moran. I was able to trace this William Moran back several decades and he is not the correct one. I am now sure he was not Choctaw but from one of the Dakota Territory tribes…Sioux, Cree, Ojibway, Chipewyan (Dene) or Assiniboine. I’m not expecting to find much on them because I would assume that this family was on the move from Dakota to Oklahoma and may not have appeared on any other census. On the 1880 US Census for Berlin, Richland, Dakota Territory just above the entry for Moreoja is an entryr for Charles & Emmer Moran also from Manatoba. I would guess this was a brother since both have parents listed as born in Manatoba. So the Choctaw trail ends here….I think.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 2, 2011

you have some clues.
always, the childrens’ records fix the family to a date and location. since you didn’t say which child you are following, i don’t know. what is the date of birth, place of birth of that child? who was their spouse? who were their children? and this was why i asked you about how you found the marriage record of annie scarborough. an index is not sufficient. you need the document.

social security went into effect 1/1/1937 and people had to submit proof of age at that time. if they didn’t have a birth certificate, they had to submit delayed birth certificates, so when you ask for a birth certificate, ask for both. and the social security application lists parents, vital information.

i start from the death and work backward: cemetery record, obituary and death certificate. then marriage licence, birth of children and birth of the person.

i find reaching back in time to be mostly ineffective. naturally you are curious about your family, but it is necessary to collect documents like the census, death and birth records, marriage record. oral history is fine, but documents are important.

we say tribes and they were really bands of natives, communities, that allied with a tribe. many times movement of one is movement of many. and when i was looking at the canadian-us border thing, i found tribes where someone was ostracized out. canada excluded many natives. when a native woman married a caucasian, she was no longer a native, for instance. that could have been the reason someone moved from canada to the united states. but this left them without a tribal enrollment, many times.

i followed a family in montana and found that the biological father had a new “wife” every year 1900-1910. worse, it was someone else’s wife in the tribe. they told him to go up to canada because he wasn’t getting enrolled with the tribe, so he did. he was lucky because the crees allowed him enrollment and gave him an allotment. he was a rip snorter, i would guess.

if you have no other clues, follow the charles moran family and see what they did.

then there’s historic newspapers, available through interlibrary loan. see your local public library for that. state archives help too.

there were messageboards for tribe, location and surnames on genealogy.com and rootsweb.com. have you posted to those? have you checked the rootsweb webprojects for tribe, location, surname, type of record (cemetery)?

so i think the choctaw trail ends here but the other documents will help your genealogy.

TreyMoran TreyMoran

posted on March 2, 2011

So far there is no official document for the marriage of William Moran and Annie Gertrude Scarborough. The only record of them together is the 1900 US Census. It lists a daughter that no one knows anything about but we have located descendendants of all the other children. My great grandfather was Archie Moran, son of William and Annie. The accepted history is that William died in 1911 but I’ve not been able to locate him between 1900 and 1911. Nor have I been able to find him between 1880 and 1900. Moreoja and Mary Moran were his parents but no trace of them after the 1880 census. I’ve checked every census and roll I can find so far.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 3, 2011

you need to widen your research. i know that collecting documents sometimes takes time, but they are necessary.

to find someone, you need name, date, location, children, spouse, or as much as you can provide.

it’s difficult to find anyone between 1880 and 1900 because there are only a few scraps of the 1890 census. most of that census burned in a warehouse. there are some texas pages, though, and veterans records recreated civil war veterans information.

maybe this is annie:
1880 United States Federal Census
about Annie Scarbrough
Name: Annie Scarbrough
Home in 1880: Navarro, Texas
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of Household: Dau (Daughter)
Father’s Name: J. M. Scarbrough
Father’s birthplace: North Carolina
Mother’s Name: M. C. Scarbrough
Mother’s birthplace: Tennessee
Neighbors: View others on page
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
J. M. Scarbrough 34
M. C. Scarbrough 29
Annie Scarbrough 9
A. W. Scarbrough 7
R. P. Scarbrough 6
Katie Scarbrough 3
J. A. Scarbrough 2m
Mayella Scarbrough 18
Jim Scarbrough 28
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Navarro, Texas; Roll: 1321; Family History Film: 1255321; Page: 435A; Enumeration District: 135; .

from what i can see from your posts, you are trying to find william’s dad somewhere, but you don’t have much information william. and i don’t know what you have on archie. your posts don’t contain many clues that i can use to try to help you.

there is a “language” for genealogy, expected information. there is a method of research. this is why i often start with a death and work backwards in time. if you have trouble finding the parents, check and see if you have to find more complete information on the children. are their clues in their records.

this william seemed to be a ripsnorter. did he have a criminal record in newton, TX or harris, TX?

how do you know annie’s maiden name was scarborough? was she alive in 1937? did she have a social security application on file? this would tell you about her marriage. how about her obituary? when/where did she pass away? do you have her death certificate?

based on this, she might have had a native heritage:
1900 United States Federal Census
about Annie Moran
Name: Annie Moran
[Annie Maran]
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 1, Newton, Texas
[Newton, Texas]
Age: 27
Birth Date: Sep 1872
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
the MOWA and mississippi choctaw tribes come to mind.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Archie Eugene Moran
Name: Archie Eugene Moran
County: Harris
State: Texas
Birth Date: 15 May 1900
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1953524
DraftBoard: 0
mother is annie gertrude moran.

Social Security Death Index
about Archie Moran
Name: Archie Moran
SSN: 457-09-7277
Last Residence: 77016 Houston, Harris, Texas, United States of America
Born: 13 May 1901
Died: Jul 1972
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

while you might not know about his father, he might have known. so the social security application might help a lot.

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Archie Moran
Name: Archie Moran
Death Date: 2 Jul 1972
Death County: Harris
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Henry Lee Moran
Name: Henry Lee Moran
County: Harris
State: Texas
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1895
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1953524
DraftBoard: 0
he works in a sawmill and supports his mother.

so if you have looked in the census, what have you found in 1910, 1920, 1930?
where are the sons living in those years?
who did hattie marry? was her name henrietta?
who did archie marry?

genealogists need:
dates, locations, children and spouse to match records.

get the necessary vital records, locations first, before checking native records. this is because you need to know birthdates, locations, people associated with your family first, before you try to find native stuff.

there were 63 tribes in oklahoma and probably that many in texas, and certainly a whole bunch of tribes elsewhere. it would be practically impossible to find him in a native roll someplace if you don’t know much about him.

i repeat, childrens’ records point to the parents.

TreyMoran TreyMoran

posted on March 3, 2011

We are 99% certain that Annie’s maiden name was Scarborough and I had already found those same records that you posted. I even found some living Scarboroughs in East Texas that we are going to contact. They are descended from one of her sibilings.

William died in Datyon Texas Dec 4 1911. Of this we are certain but I have found no death record for him yet. Soon after he died annie put all her kids in an orphanage but returned later to get them all back. She got all but one back. We know annie’s history from this point on. She died in 1957. We have pictures of her and everything.
I am more interested in finding information on William and his family to find out our Native American heritage. Everyone that descended from Annie and William were told that he was an Indian and killed a man in Oklahoma and fled. The details are what I am wanting to find out but I have barely anything to go on so I post on message boards like this one to try to find someone that might be a lead. I’ve had more leads come up in the past 2 months than I had in the past 5 years so I get the feeling more people are getting online to search for thier family histories. I’ve done this for over 10 years but not full time so I don’t know the accepted lingo and requirements.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 3, 2011

genealogists use names, dates, location, children, spouse to match records. you also describe the documents you have. you can tell about the family stories.

have you contacted the county where he passed away? texas archives? an obituary.

you are mentioning one reason that i couldn’t find annie with children in census records. have you contacted the orphanage?

i see by another post you left on a different messageboard that his father was in love county, OK.
County Clerk Shelly Russell – show less

  • Love County Courthouse
  • Marietta OK, 73448
  • (580) 276-3059

do you have annie’s social security application? that would tell where and when they married.

one of the problems that you might have is that natives usually didn’t disclose native tribal affiliation unless they applied to a tribe for enrollment.

here’s the link to county clerk’s office, liberty county, TX
http://www.co.liberty.tx.us/ips/cms/countyoffices/countyClerk.html

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/deathcert.shtm
there might be a record at the texas archives:
http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/service/indexm.html

ok, you know when he passed away. do you know where he passed away? is there an obituary in a local paper? you can use interlibrary loan/public library or try to find a newspaper for the county that was publishing at that time.
http://www.historictexas.net/newspapers.htm

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 4, 2011

these websites can probably help you with historical information, newspapers, records about marietta, OK.

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

oklahoma historical society
http://www.okhistory.org/