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Ashley Orange Ashley Orange

posted on March 1, 2011

Here’s what I know about her based on passed down knowledge. She was supposedly half or full Choctaw and she married Joe Cephus Orange. I really want more info about her. All I have is Orange family history.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 1, 2011

ida jane byrd m. joe/joseph cephus orange
no children, no location no dates on your post.

on ancestry.com, there are three family trees. they might also be on rootsweb.com, i don’t know.

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Joe Cefus Orange

Birth 26 Jul 1885 in Quality, Butler, Kentucky, United States
Death 17 Apr 1963 in Brownwood, Brown, Texas, United States

copying the records they found:
Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Joseph C Orange
Name: Joseph C Orange
Death Date: 17 Apr 1963
Death County: Brown
Certificate: 22539
(www.tdh.state.tx.us) or write to:

Texas Department of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics
P. O. Box 12040
Austin, TX 78711-2040
(512) 458-7111

Social Security Death Index
about Joseph Orange
Name: Joseph Orange
SSN: 458-03-2347
Last Residence: Texas
Born: 26 Jul 1885
Died: Apr 1963
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

1920 United States Federal Census
about Jorcephas Orange
Name: Jorcephas Orange
[Josephas Orange]
[Josephus Orange]
Home in 1920: Justice Precinct 8, Coleman, Texas
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Kentucky
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Ida Orange
Father’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Mother’s Birth Place: Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jorcephas Orange 33
Ida Orange 32
Pauline Orange 13
Estes Orange 11
Etta Orange 9
Ella Orange 6
Ines Orange 3
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Justice Precinct 8, Coleman, Texas; Roll: T625_1788; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 66; Image: 412.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Josephine Orange
Name: Josephine Orange
[Jocephus Orange]
Age in 1910: 24
Estimated Birth Year: 1886
Birthplace: Kentucky
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Mother’s Birth Place: Illinois
Spouse’s Name: Ida Orange
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 2, Coleman, Texas
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Josephine Orange 24
Ida Orange 24
Parline Orange 3
Ester N Orange 2
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Justice Precinct 2, Coleman, Texas; Roll: T624_1539; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 0129; Image: 220; FHL Number: 1375552.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Josephus Orange
Name: Josephus Orange
Home in 1900: Turnertown, Butler, Kentucky
[Butler, Kentucky]
Age: 13
Birth Date: Jul 1886
Birthplace: Kentucky
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father’s Name: Albert N Orange
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s Name: Angie Orange
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert N Orange 44
Angie Orange 38
Bertie A Orange 20
James G Orange 16
Josephus Orange 13
Wiley A Orange 11
Robert Finley Orange 10
Angie B Orange 5
Nancy E Orange 3
Lulln H Orange 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Turnertown, Butler, Kentucky; Roll: T623_511; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 25.

Ida Jane Byrd

Birth 2 Nov 1885 in Grosvenor, Brown, Texas, United States
Death 27 Jun 1956 in Brownwood, Brown, Texas, United States
Parents

* * James Blackston Byrd 1853 – 1940 * * Mary Tennessee Tune 1857 – 1933

1930 United States Federal Census
about Ida J Orange
Name: Ida J Orange
Home in 1930: Coleman, Coleman, Texas
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Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father’s Name: Blackston J Byrd
Mother’s Name: Mary Byrd
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ida J Orange 45
Estio W Orange 21
Etta M Orange 19
Alton J Orange 16
Inez P Orange 13
Geay E Orange 9
John D Orange 6
Mary E Orange 3 1/12
Mary Byrd 72
Blackston J Byrd 76
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Coleman, Coleman, Texas; Roll: 2308; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 678.0.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Joseph C Orange
Name: Joseph C Orange
County: Coleman
State: Texas
Birth Date: Jul 26
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1952404
DraftBoard: 0

this card can be saved/printed from ancestry.com

your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com.

you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

could this be her father?
1870 United States Federal Census
about Jessie Bird
Name: Jessie Bird
[Jessie Blackston Byrd]
Birth Year: abt 1822
Age in 1870: 48
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1870: Brown, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Jessie Bird 48

1920 United States Federal Census
about Jim B Byrd
Name: Jim B Byrd
[Jim B Bryad]
Home in 1920: Justice Precinct 8, Coleman, Texas
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Birthplace: Missouri
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Mary Byrd
Father’s Birth Place: Texas
Mother’s Birth Place: Tennessee
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jim B Byrd 65
Mary Byrd 61
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Justice Precinct 8, Coleman, Texas; Roll: T625_1788; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 66; Image: 411.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Jim B Byrd
Name: Jim B Byrd
Age in 1910: 56
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Birthplace: Missouri
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father’s Birth Place: United States of America
[United States]
Mother’s Birth Place: United States of America
[United States]
Spouse’s Name: Mary Byrd
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 7, Coleman, Texas
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jim B Byrd 56
Mary Byrd 51
Manervia Byrd 19
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Justice Precinct 7, Coleman, Texas; Roll: T624_1539; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0127; Image: 152; FHL Number: 1375552.
1910 United States Federal Census
about Mary Byrd
Name: Mary Byrd
Age in 1910: 51
Estimated Birth Year: 1859
Birthplace: Tennessee
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: West Virginia
Mother’s Birth Place: Tennessee

1900 United States Federal Census
about Mary T Byrd
Name: Mary T Byrd
[Mary P Byrd]
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 7, Eastland, Texas
[Eastland, Texas]
Age: 42
Birth Date: Sep 1857
Birthplace: Tennessee
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother: number of living children: 6
Mother: How many children: 8
Spouse’s Name: James B Byrd
Marriage Year: 1876
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 24
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James B Byrd 45
Mary T Byrd 42
Jesse M Byrd 21
Martha A Byrd 19
Nora E Byrd 17
Ida J Byrd 14
Mary M Byrd 13
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 7, Eastland, Texas; Roll: T623_1629; Page: 28A; Enumeration District: 62.
Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Jim Blaston Byrd
Name: Jim Blaston Byrd
[James Blackston Byrd]
Death Date: 7 Jul 1940
Death County: Coleman
Certificate: 31698

so maybe that 1870 record was someone else?

1880 United States Federal Census
about Mary Byrd
Name: Mary Byrd
Home in 1880: Precinct 1, Brown, Texas
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Tex
Relation to Head of Household: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Blaxton Byrd
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Cooking In Camp
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Blaxton Byrd 25
Mary Byrd 21
Wiley Byrd 3
Jessie M. Byrd 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 1, Brown, Texas; Roll: 1292; Family History Film: 1255292; Page: 371A; Enumeration District: 23; .

1870 United States Federal Census
about Mary T Tune
Name: Mary T Tune
Birth Year: abt 1858
Age in 1870: 12
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1870: Willow Springs, Howell, Missouri
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Wiley T Tune 47
Martha A Tune 47
William R Tune 22
James W B Tune 21
John R Tune 19
Martha E Tune 17
Mary T Tune 12
Joseph Tune 10
Sarah J N Tune 8
Minerva Tune 6
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Willow Springs, Howell, Missouri; Roll: M593_780; Page: 512B; Image: 560; Family History Library Film: 552279.

locations will be key to finding information about tribe. also, use state archives where possible. just search for (state) archives on google and the link will come up.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname,

you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden

name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate,

your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone

passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government

for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate.

death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary,

newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local

public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records

and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census

records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public

information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t

have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu

of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they

had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other

names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are

especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma

and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed

records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will

improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get

the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a

record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births,

marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching

google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized

tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the

choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto