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Looking for info on Nora Bryant Butler

Gerald Butler Gerald Butler

posted on February 28, 2011

My grandmother, Nora Bryant Butler was born in 1888 and adopted by Willaim and Dealie Bryant. I am told that she was a Choctaw Indian, but never got to verfy. My father, Norris butler is deceased, as two of her other four children are. One is still, but suffers with alzhimer. She lived in Lawrence county in Mississippi. Anyone that may have info, please help.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 1, 2011

many of these adoptions were informal at that time. enrollments were done 1896-1906 in oklahoma and 1929 in mississippi. did she enroll with a tribe? in order for you to apply for enrollment you must be directly related to a original enrollee.

no spouse, only one child in this post. maybe she lived in lawrence county, MS. maybe she used bryant as her maiden name and married someone with a surname of butler. no year of adoption.

nora bryant b. 1888 m. ? butler
norris butler, place and date of birth unknown

maybe this is your father?
Social Security Death Index
about Norris Butler
Name: Norris Butler
SSN: 425-50-5584
Last Residence: 39209 Jackson, Hinds, Mississippi, United States of America
Born: 30 May 1911
Died: 25 Sep 2006
State (Year) SSN issued: Mississippi (Before 1951)

i am looking for this and i can tell you that i don’t have enough information. norris and nora might have occasionally used middle names or nicknames in records.

this might be your norris butler:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Norris Butler
Name: Norris Butler
Home in 1930: Beat 5, Hinds, Mississippi
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Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Ida Bell Butler
Race: Negro (Black)
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Norris Butler 19
Ida Bell Butler 18
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Beat 5, Hinds, Mississippi; Roll: 1148; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 49; Image: 583.0.

and supposing that it is, maybe this is your family.
1920 United States Federal Census
about Norris Butler
Name: Norris Butler
Home in 1920: Beat 4, Hinds, Mississippi
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Name: Eugene Butler
Father’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Mother’s Name: Eva Butler
Mother’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Marital Status: Single
Race: Black
Sex: Male
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Eugene Butler 33
Eva Butler 36
Marie Butler 12
Julia Butler 11
Norris Butler 9
Jeff Butler 8
Ermine Butler 4
[4 1/12]
Geneva Butler 2
[2 5/12]
Buster Butler 1
[1 1/12]
Jim Butler 0
20
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Beat 4, Hinds, Mississippi; Roll: T625_878; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 27; Image: 1101.

there is no nora or norris butler in lawrence county in the 1920 or 1930 census, and no family with a mother nora and a son norris.

here’s a family where julia and eugene live.
1910 United States Federal Census
about Eugene Butler
Name: Eugene Butler
Age in 1910: 22
Estimated Birth Year: 1888
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: United States of America
[United States]
Mother’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Spouse’s Name: Eva Butler
Home in 1910: Beat 4, Hinds, Mississippi
Marital Status: Married
Race: Black
Gender: Male
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Household Members:
Name Age
Eugene Butler 22
Eva Butler 20
Eugene Butler Jr. 3
Julia Butler 2
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Beat 4, Hinds, Mississippi; Roll: T624_742; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 0012; Image: 656; FHL Number: 1374755.

1910 United States Federal Census
about William Bryant
Name: William Bryant
Age in 1910: 39
Estimated Birth Year: 1871
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Mother’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Spouse’s Name: Delia Bryant
Home in 1910: Beat 4, Lawrence, Mississippi
Marital Status: Married
Race: Black
Gender: Male
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Household Members:
Name Age
William Bryant 39
Delia Bryant 33
Green Bryant 14
Tilda Bryant 12
Susie Bryant 9
Louisa Bryant 5
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Beat 4, Lawrence, Mississippi; Roll: T624_747; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0098; Image: 454; FHL Number: 1374760.

1900 United States Federal Census
about William Bryant
Name: William Bryant
Home in 1900: Beat 2, Lawrence, Mississippi
[Lawrence, Mississippi]
Age: 28
Birth Date: Apr 1872
Birthplace: Mississippi
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Spouse’s Name: Delia Bryant
Marriage Year: 1894
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bryant 28
Delia Bryant 40
Nora Bryant 12
Green Bryant 5
Matilda Bryant 2
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Beat 2, Lawrence, Mississippi; Roll: T623_815; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 66.

it looks like she might have been old enough to know who her parents were. do you have a copy of her social security application and birth certificate or delayed birth certificate? you have to ask for the delayed birth certificate as well, because they are often found located in records years after the birth.

she is listed as william’s stepdaughter, and delia is older than william, so perhaps she is delia’s daughter.

green and matilda appear to be their natural children.
william is a farmer, rents a farm.

so now we have william b. 4/1872 MS, parents b. NC
delia b. 10/1859 MS, parents b. MS
1900 United States Federal Census
about Delia Bryant
Name: Delia Bryant
Home in 1900: Beat 2, Lawrence, Mississippi
[Lawrence, Mississippi]
Age: 40
Birth Date: Oct 1859
Birthplace: Mississippi
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother: number of living children: 6
Mother: How many children: 7

Mississippi Marriages, 1776-1935
about Delia Smith
Name: Delia Smith
Spouse: William Bryant
Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1893
County: Lawrence

This collection represents information originating on courthouse marriage licenses in various counties in Mississippi. Copies of these records may be obtained from the county clerk in the county in which the license was issued. This was usually the county that the bride was from. Microfilmed copies of these records may also be found at the Family History Library (FHL) in Salt Lake City or possibly at the state archives.

you might try for an obituary for william, delia and nora. see your local public library, interlibrary loan program.
death certificates?
social security application?

http://www.mississippigenealogy.com/lawrence/native-americans.htm
Mississippi was first inhabited by three major tribes:
Chickasaws in the north
Choctaws in the central and south
Natchez Indians in the southwest along the Mississippi River.

Other tribes include:
Biloxi
Houma
Pascagoula
Tunica
Chakchiuma/Chocchuma
Yazoo

http://www.native-languages.org/mississippi.htm

mississippi archives
http://mdah.state.ms.us/arrec/digital_archives/

Mississippi State Government: Vital Records
www.mississippi.gov – 571 Stadium Drive, Jackson, MS – (601) 576-7981

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname,

you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden

name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate,

your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone

passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government

for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate.

death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary,

newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local

public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records

and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census

records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public

information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t

have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu

of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they

had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other

names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are

especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma

and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed

records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will

improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get

the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a

record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births,

marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching

google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized

tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the

choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Gerald Butler Gerald Butler

posted on March 23, 2011

Suzanne,
Thank you very much for you detailed and informative response. I will email you for more tips and guidance.
Gerald