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Sally Mable Poole

Sally A Fortuna Sally A Fortuna

posted on February 25, 2011

I am the grandaughter of Sally Mable Poole and I have searched for a mother or father for her but cannot find one..
She did claim her mother was full blood Choctaw, but not finding anything to solidify this claim.. If someone knows or heard or has any info on my grandmother, please e-mail me.
Sally Mable Poole was married to Harvey Lee Loman and had daughters, Wilma, Wanda, Gaye and Joanne..
Thanks for all your help

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 26, 2011

sally mable poole m. harvey lee loman
wilma, wanda, gaye, joanne

but no dates for these people, no location. this makes a search difficult.

using ancestry.com, it appears that i was able to find this family.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Harvey L Loman
Name: Harvey L Loman
Home in 1930: Parker, Yuma, Arizona
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Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Mabel S Loman
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Harvey L Loman 23
Mabel S Loman 19

Wilmer L Loman 3 8/12
George W Pool 17
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Parker, Yuma, Arizona; Roll: 63; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 28; Image: 780.0.
george pool is harvey’s brother-in-law, so mable’s maiden name is likely pool/poole.
the family members were b. OK, so the move to AZ was recent.

mable’s parents’ names would probably be on her social security application or delayed birth certificate submitted to social security to show proof of age 1/1/1937.
harvey is a farm laborer, rents the house. reuben loman and his wife live next door.

Oregon Death Index, 1903-98
about Harvey Lee Loman
Name: Loman, Harvey Lee
County: Josephine
Death Date: 6 Apr 1975
Certificate: 75-05707
Age: 68
Birth Date: Nov 1906

Social Security Death Index
about Harvey Loman
Name: Harvey Loman
SSN: 527-07-3526
Last Residence: 97526 Grants Pass, Josephine, Oregon, United States of America
Born: 13 Nov 1906
Died: Apr 1975
State (Year) SSN issued: Arizona (Before 1951)

this could be him:
Seattle Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957
about Hary Loman
Name: Hary Loman
Arrival Date: 29 Apr 1940
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: 1906
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Finnish
Ship Name: Co Operator II
Port of Arrival: Seattle, Washington
Port of Departure: Victoria, British Columbia
Line: 3
Microfilm Roll Number: M1383_25

1920 United States Federal Census
about Hanery Loman
Name: Hanery Loman
[Harvey Loman]
[Hanny Loman]
Home in 1920: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Name: A N Loman
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Mary J Loman
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
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Household Members:
Name Age
A N Loman 49
Mary J Loman 47
George W Loman 20
Viola Loman 14
Hanery Loman 12
Bertin R Loman 9
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 223; Image: 400.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Harvey L Loman
Name: Harvey L Loman
Age in 1910: 3
Estimated Birth Year: 1907
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Name: Annis Loman
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Mary J Loman
Mother’s Birth Place: Missouri
Home in 1910: Francis, Pontotoc, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
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Household Members:
Name Age
Annis Loman 39
Mary J Loman 36
May V Loman 16
Henry H Loman 15
George W Loman 11
Aden E Loman 7
Evelean J Loman 6
Viola Loman 4
Harvey L Loman 3
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Francis, Pontotoc, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1270; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 0257; Image: 937; FHL Number: 1375283.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Annise N Loman
Name: Annise N Loman
[Anna Louison]
Home in 1900: Howell, Howell, Missouri
[West Plains, Howell, Missouri]
Age: 29
Birth Date: Dec 1870
Birthplace: Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Birthplace: Illinois
Spouse’s Name: Mary J Loman
Marriage Year: 1891
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Occupation: View on Image
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Household Members:
Name Age
Annise N Loman 29
Mary J Loman 27
May Loman 9
Henry Loman 5
Jesse L Loman 4
George W Loman 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Howell, Howell, Missouri; Roll: T623_860; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 54.

and this family was not living in oklahoma by 1900, so they might not have applied for tribal enrollment if they were native.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Mable Pool
Name: Mable Pool
Home in 1920: Lunenburg, Izard, Arkansas
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Step Daughter
[Stepdaughter]
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Rosette Howell
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
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Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel H Howell 42
Rosette Howell 33
Lillian Howell 14
Owen Howell 11
Della Howell 9
Odis Pool 12
Myrtle Pool 11
Mable Pool 9
George Pool 7
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Lunenburg, Izard, Arkansas; Roll: T625_65; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 50; Image: 390.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Henry A Pool
Name: Henry A Pool
[Hervy A Pool]
Age in 1910: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1890
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Spouse’s Name: Rosie Pool
Home in 1910: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
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Household Members:
Name Age
Henry A Pool 20
Rosie Pool 24
Odis Pool 3
Murtte Pool 10/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1271; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0264; Image: 1216; FHL Number: 1375284.

it appears that rosa’s maiden name is sipe, since others have saved that record to their family tree for this family.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Rosa E Sipe
Name: Rosa E Sipe
Home in 1900: Francis, Cleburne, Arkansas
[Cleburne, Arkansas]
Age: 14
Birth Date: Dec 1885
Birthplace: Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter
Father’s Name: John W Sipe
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Name: Sallie A Sipe
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Sipe 49
Sallie A Sipe 49
Jesse N Sipe 18
Rosa E Sipe 14
Cora C Sipe 9
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Francis, Cleburne, Arkansas; Roll: T623_54; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 15.

and this family was not in OK at the time of tribal enrollment either.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Dawn Elizabeth Dawn Elizabeth

posted on April 14, 2012

I am also the grand daughter of Sally Mable Pool, my mother is Joann the youngest daughter of Sally, I know my grand mother Sally Mable remarried and became (last name) Enochs. My mom Joann still lives in Oregon. I also can not find any mother or father history for my Grandmother Sally Mable Pool(e) This message is in response to Sally A Fortuna posted on February 25, 2011..Any new information would be great. Thanks so much for your time.
Dawn Elizabeth

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 14, 2012

it appears that sally’s mother was rosa sipe and henry/harvey poole/pool.