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Wayne Pyle Wayne Pyle

posted on February 8, 2011

Hello, Nation. I’m trying to figure out if our Pyle line connects somehow to Chief Pyle’s line. Here is the info I have found out…

A lot of my family is in a Mennonite graveyard that is no longer connected with a church but is now a historical society for Juniata/Snyder County Pennsylvania near Richfield, PA.

Here is the info I have: Richfield is in Pennsylvania and the graves are in Juniata county and Snyder county. Heinrich Pfeil b.1762 d. 1851 was married to a Maria Piel b. 1776 d. 1848. Though I cannot confirm it, by looking at the grave markers it appears that their sons and daughters were: Jacob Pile b. 1796 d. 1873 (my descendant see below) George Pile b. 1797 d. 1873 (married Catherine Pile b. 1820 d. 1877 son William b. 1843 d. 1877) John Pile b. 1798 d. 1891 Maria Piel b. 1800 d. 1879 Henry Pile b. 1803 d. 1817 Elizabeth Pile b. 1805 d. 1891 Samuel Pile b. 1812 d. 1857

Jacob Pile(Heinrich and Maria’s first son, listed on the grave as Henry and Mary’s son) married Elizabeth Pile but family legend has that he was married to a Mary Miller. I don’t know if both are true.

Jacob had Henry Pile b. 1842 d. 1861 Polly Pyle Krebs b. June 19, 1844 d. May 13, 1910 and Isaac Pyle b. July 15, 1835 d. Feb. 3 1917

Isaac married Elizabeth Crawford Pyle who had a daughter by the other marriage named Mary Crawford Rumbaugh

Isaac and Elizabeth had Amy C. Pyle Shellenberger b. 1870 d. 1901 (wife of E.B. Shellenberger) Fannie Elizabeth Pyle Zeiders b. 1881 d. 1949 (wife of Calvin Hayes Zeiders) a Henry who died in 1865 then another Henry C. Pile b. 1866 d. 1916 a Jacob George that I didn’t find in that cemetery (?) but is spoken of in family lore and a Samuel Pile b. 1862 d. 1944 who married Julia Amich b. 1869 d. 1935

It seems that tragedy struck the Amich-Pile union because their first son Charles R. b. 1892 d. 1894 their third son Levi S. b. 1901 d. 1902 and their daughter Pearl A. b. 1903 d. 1905 all died in infancy. The only survivor was my great grandfather Arthur Wilson Pyle (“Windy Bill”) b. 1899 d. 1981 married Edna May Shellenberger Pyle. They had three children: Earl, Henrietta and Leon Pyle. Leon was my grandfather and he married Naomi Lauver and then re-married to Katherine whose surname I cannot recall. My father is Dan Pyle and he married Patricia Kearns and her father was Michael Kearns and her mother was Dorothy Lambert.

We have had relatives that have lived in Alabama, Mississippi and Oklahoma, but I cannot trace them to the Choctaw Nation. Can anyone help?

Thank you!

Wayne Pyle

Wayne Pyle Wayne Pyle

posted on February 8, 2011

I think there may be a connection through Elizabeth Crawford who would have been born around 1835. Does anyone know if an Elizabeth Crawford who married an Issac Pyle and had five children and might have been in theirfamily line?

Here are the Crawfords I found on the rolls:

By blood
Charles Crawford
Jessie Crawford
Ben Crawford
Minnie Crawford
Gus Crawford
Barnett Crawford
Marvin Crawford
Pearl Crawford
Alice Crawford
Ollie Crawford
Fiora May Crawford
George Crawford

Minor Choctaws by blood
Lena Crawford
Mattie Crawford

By marriage
George Crawford
Rebecca Crawford

Freedmen
Rosanna Crawford
Albert Crawford
Alonzo Crawford
Alay Crawford
Lula Crawford
Grace Crawford
Angie Crawford

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 8, 2011

the dawes roll is a list of people who applied for tribal membership in the five major tribes in oklahoma 1896-1906.
you have given dates but no locations.

i don’t know what documentation you have for these people.

i don’t know who are chief pyle’s ancestors are. we usually don’t do genealogy backwards. sometimes natives married into caucasian families that had a surname. but also, natives adopted surnames of favorite people, places. i would say that pile/pyle is a fairly common surname.

further, when i look up arthur wilson pyle on ancestry, he appears to be living in pennsylvania.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Arthur Wilson Pyle
Name: Arthur Wilson Pyle
County: Juniata
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1894
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1893472
DraftBoard: 0

and the dates are not the same as you have stated. i don’ t know why.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Arthur Pyle
Name: Arthur Pyle
Home in 1920: Mifflintown, Juniata, Pennsylvania
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s name: Edna Pyle
Father’s Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Mother’s Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Pyle 25
Edna Pyle 22
27
Leon Pyle 6
Earle Pyle 4
[4 0/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Mifflintown, Juniata, Pennsylvania; Roll: T625_1576; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 102; Image: 423.

so i don’t know if there is any connection to the chief.

but i can tell you about native records.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto