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Moran, Charles and Elizabeth Ann Burkholts.

Curt D. Moran Curt D. Moran

posted on January 11, 2011

Looking for detailed information about birth, marriage and death dates for both.
Believe Charles was Irish and Elizabeth Ann a full Choctaw.
Married in Texas. Had nine children. After Charles passed away, Elizabeth and children moved to the Choctaw Nation.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 11, 2011

if they were in texas, they were probably not enrolled in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma. they might have been mississippi choctaw. no dates, no location no children in your post. no maiden name for elizabeth.

burkholts tends to be a germanic surname. both names are very common first names.

i usually try to gather documents about their death, which might give you a surname for elizabeth and more details of their lives.

i searched for records and didn’t find anything. you need more details so that someone can find your relatives.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Curt D. Moran Curt D. Moran

posted on January 12, 2011

My goodness. You have a lot of resources. I am new to family research. I have more details. By the way, what dies “nee” mean?
Charles Moran (Irish) married Elizabeth Ann Buckholts (Brashears around 1838. They had nine children:
Henry Moran, Sarah Izard (nee Moran), Celina Harrell (nee Moran), Marmeduke Liffee Moran, RT Moran, Charles H. Moran, John B Moran, Carrie Holt (nee Moran), Daniel Savannah (Van) Moran. Daniel is the blood relative.
Daniel was Born 1860 in TX .
Daniel married Willie Agnus Melton – Choctaw March 12, 1891
Atoka Choctaw Nation Indian Territory.
Daniel S. Moran died April 1941 inb Coleman, Johnston, OK
Wille Agnus Melton was born in 1862 in Tx or Milburn, OK. Died in 1959 in Coleman, OK

Daniel and Willie had seven children:
Marmaduke Liffee b Jan. 31, 1892
Sarah, born Jan 8, 1894, died at born
Nellie, March 7, 1897, died Apr. 4, 1897
Emet Bartley Moran Dec. 21 1899, died: Oct. 13, 1953
m1 Ethel Riley
m2 Allie Mae Martin

Emet and Allie Mae Martin is the blood line I am following.

Curtis May 4, 1900 died at 3 mo
Ova S. Oct. 12, 1901 died Feb. 24, 1903
Nita (Juanita) Vera born: Aug. 8 1909, died about 1995

So we are following the line of Charles and Elizabeth Ann Burkholts, not sure if the maiden name is Brashears or not.
Then Daniel S and Willie Agnus, followed by Emet and Allie Mae MArtin.
Any additional help will be great.
csmoran@msn.com
I would love the Choctaw Resource List. Thank You.
Curt Duane and Susan Margaret Howes Moran.
My husband is great grandson to Daniel Savannah Moran.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 12, 2011

nee means maiden name.
yeah i was looking in the wrong time period.
Charles Moran (Irish) married Elizabeth Ann Buckholts (Brashears around 1838. They had nine children:
Henry Moran, Sarah Izard (nee Moran), Celina Harrell (nee Moran), Marmeduke Liffee Moran, RT Moran, Charles H. Moran, John B Moran, Carrie Holt (nee Moran),
Daniel Savannah (Van) Moran.b. 1860 TX m. willie agnes melton 1891

this looks like your family:
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Melton Caudis 0 F 3691 P
Choctaw Melton Frank 0 M 3691 P
Choctaw Moran C H 0 M 3691 P
Choctaw Moran Elizabeth 0 F 3691 P
Choctaw Moran Curtis 1 M 1/32 3691 NR EGO BB
Choctaw Moran Imet B 1 M 1/32 3691 NR EGO BB
Choctaw Moran Ova S 1 M 1/32 3691 NR EGO BB
Choctaw Moran Marmaduke L 7 M 1/32 3691 NR EGO BB
Choctaw Moran Williw Agnes 25 F IW 3691 NR EGO BB
Choctaw Moran Daniel S 39 M 1/16 3691 NR EGO BB

p=parent, bb=by blood
IW=intermarried white, a general nontribal description
you should get a copy of the enrollment application, the census card and testimony.

MORAN, VAN MELTON, WILLIE M AGNESS 12 MAR 1891 AT©
you can get a copy of the marriage probably through the oklahoma historical society.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

http://www.okhistory.org/

could this be your daniel?
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Moan 49
Willie Moan 37
Tiffie Moan 18
Emmett Moan 11
Netta Moan 8/12
John E Tyus 35
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Myrick, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1254; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 127; Image: 1234.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Buckholtz 0 M 3692 P
Choctaw Buckholtz Betsey 0 F 3692 P
Choctaw Moran C H 0 M 3692 P
Choctaw Moran Charles H 48 M 1/16 3692 NR EGO BB
Choctaw Moran Elizabeth 79 F 1/8 3692 NR EGO BB

daniel and willie are here:
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Myrick, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1464; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 93; Image: 951.

they didn’t pop up in the 1930 census, but there might be a misspelling. you might search for moran in johnston county, OK

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/
remember this is the frontier. you saw the westerns on tv. that’s how it was to a degree. a neighbor just agreed to keep records for the county and if they were entered into the state records, you were lucky.

anyone alive 1/1/1937 filed a social security application and this can include helpful information. they had to submit a delayed birth certificate to show proof of age. you often have to ask for a delayed birth certificate as well as a birth certificate registered at the time of birth.

1850 United States Federal Census
about Charles Morant
Name: Charles Morant
[Charles Moran]
[Charles Moran]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Birth Place: North Carolina
Gender: Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Fayette, Texas
Family Number: 449
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Morant 35
Elizabeth Morant 28
Harry Morant 10
Sarah Morant 9
Nancy Morant 7
Mannaderke Morant 4
Reuben Morant 2
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: , Fayette, Texas; Roll: M432_910; Page: 220A; Image: 435.
he’s a farmer, b. NC. elizabeth was b. AL, harry was b. AL but the rest of the children were b. TX
you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.
you might also look at the MOWA tribe, since she was in AL.
they might have been married in AL, since harry was born there.
you should look at the census on the choctaw. see the accessgenealogy website for that.

Alabama Marriage Collection, 1800-1969
about Elizabeth M Buckholts
Name: Elizabeth M Buckholts
Spouse: Charles H Moran
Marriage Date: 22 May 1838
County: Sumter
State: Alabama
Source information: Hunting For Bears
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Alabama Marriage Collection, 1800-1969 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data:

  • Alabama Center for Health Statistics. Alabama Marriage Index, 1936-1969. Alabama Center for Health Statistics, Montgomery, Alabama.
  • Dodd, Jordan R., et. al. Early American Marriages: Alabama to 1825. Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx.
  • Hunting For Bears, comp. Alabama marriage information taken from county courthouse records. Many of these records were extracted from copies of the original records in microfilm, microfiche, or book format, located at the Family History Library.
  • Dodd, Jordan R., comp. Early American Marriages: Alabama, 1800 to 1920.
    http://www.adph.org/vitalrecords/

you might be able to get an obituary from your local public library through the interlibrary loan system.

Stephanie Ann McKay Johnson Stephanie Ann McKay Johnson

posted on January 21, 2011

I have some of these Morans in my line but not all that you have listed.
email me if you want to share information.

Holley Izard Holley Izard

posted on April 11, 2011

Curt, I have tried several times to post a reply to you. This message board isn’t always cooperative. I have a lot of the information you need. Husband is descended from Sarah Moran Izard. Please email me at holleyizard@yahoo.com

Holley Izard Holley Izard

posted on April 11, 2011 and updated on April 11, 2011

Okay, it worked that time, so I will try again. Elizabeth Buckholts Moran was 1/4 Choctaw. There is a tribal court document , dated 1879, on Footnote.com in the Dawes file of Marmaduke Moran that lists the children of Elizabeth Moran and their children who were living at the time. It decrees her Choctaw citizenship and citizenship for all her descendents.

Also, she and Charles Moran were married in Sumter Co., AL in 1838. Their first child was born in AL. Charles Moran is on the 1840 census in AL. There are land records back to about 1842 for him on the Texas General Land Office website. Then they were in Fayette County, TX 1850. Elizabeth is with daughter, Sarah Izard, in 1900. There are several of us working on the Morans and think we have found Elizabeth’s burial in Coal County, OK in 1908. I don’t know if this website notifies you when someone replies. I just found it.

Jerry Moran Jerry Moran

posted on April 15, 2011

Curt
Charles was my great great great grandfather. My great great grand father was Marmaduke, and great grandfather was Charles W. I have a lot of the information on the family tree from various sources if you would like to correspond I can furnish a lot of information. I have the Buckholtz all the way to Prussia in 1651 and the Morans in this line to Paris france is 1751.

Jerry Moran

Curt D. Moran Curt D. Moran

posted on October 16, 2013

We thought that James Moran and Elizabeth Rice came from Clare County Ireland?? Did the family go further back to France??
It is over two years since this post. Are you still communicating on this site?
Curt and Suzi Moran