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posted on January 9, 2011

Researching the Stanton surname.

Allen Stanton marr. Susanna Lyles in 1829 in Alabama. Allen was b. 1795 in KY. (1860 census) Allen was a white man married to Susanna who was 1/2 Choctaw. She was the dau. of John Lyles & Ann Brashears. I’d like information on the children of this family. I SUSPECT that they are: Andrew J. Stanton, Thomas J. Stanton, Ruthie Ann Stanton (she marr. a Mosby & a Boatright) William Stanton b. ca 1838-40 (My line) who marr. first Sarah Ann Kirk who died in 1879 and then William marr. Martha Ann Estep (dau. of Dave & Ivy Estep) plus George, Richard & Eliza who are listed on the 1855 Wade Co. census along with Susanna, their mother.

Also would like info. on the PARENTS of Allen Stanton? Were they William & Phoebe Stanton of Russell Co. KY (per 1850 census?) Thanks Contact

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 10, 2011

john lyles m. ann brashears
susanna lyles m. allen stanton b. 1795 KY 1829 AL
andrew j., thomas j., ruthie ann, william, george, richard, eliza
william b.~1838 m. sarah ann kirk d. 1879 m2. martha ann estep

not sure where wade county is. you gave hardly any locatin information in your post.

1860 United States Federal Census
about Allen Stanton
Name: Allen Stanton
Age in 1860: 65
Birth Year: abt 1795
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1860: Choctaw Nation, Indian Lands, Arkansas
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Allen Stanton 65
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Choctaw Nation, Indian Lands, Arkansas; Roll: M653_52; Page: 1211; Image: 739; Family History Library Film: 803052.

you are taking this line well back before many of the native records. there might be trading post logs, local history books, newspapers that mention these people.

a 90 year old allen stanton lives with these people:
U.S. Indian Census Schedules, 1885-1940
about Geo Stanton
Name: Geo Stanton
Date of Birth: abt 1840
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Relation to head-of-household: Husband
Spouse’s name: Ollie Stanton
Tribe: Siletz
Reservation: Siletz-Ind
Last Census Number: 423
Census Date: 1 Jul 1886
Neighbors: View others on page
Source: Year: 1886; Roll: M595_505; .

Source Information: U.S. Indian Census Schedules, 1885-1940 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations Inc, 2007.

Alabama Marriage Collection, 1800-1969
about Susan Liles
Name: Susan Liles
Spouse: Allen Stanton
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1929
County: Marengo
State: Alabama
Source information: Jordan Dodd, Liahona Research
Source Information: Alabama Marriage Collection, 1800-1969 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data:

  • Alabama Center for Health Statistics. Alabama Marriage Index, 1936-1969. Alabama Center for Health Statistics, Montgomery, Alabama.
  • Dodd, Jordan R., et. al. Early American Marriages: Alabama to 1825. Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx.
  • Hunting For Bears, comp. Alabama marriage information taken from county courthouse records. Many of these records were extracted from copies of the original records in microfilm, microfiche, or book format, located at the Family History Library.
  • Dodd, Jordan R., comp. Early American Marriages: Alabama, 1800 to 1920.

Mississippi Land Records
about Allen Stanton
Name: Allen Stanton
Document Number: 232
Total Acres: 960.48
Signature: Yes
Canceled Document: No
Issue Date: 28 Dec 1848
Mineral Rights Reserved: No
Metes and Bounds: No
Statutory Reference: 5 Stat. 513
Multiple Warantee Names: No
Act or Treaty: August 23, 1842
Multiple Patentee Names: No
Entry Classification: Choctaw Scrip
Land Description:
1 ST STEPHENS No 18N 1E 29
2 E½ ST STEPHENS No 18N 1E 3

Source Information
United States, Bureau of Land Management. Mississippi Land Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1997.
Original data: United States, Bureau of Land Management. Mississippi Pre-1908 Patents: Homesteads, Cash Entry, Choctaw Indian Scrip and Chickasaw Cession Lands. General Land Office Automated Records Project, 1997.

Re: origin of surname New
bettylok (View posts) Posted: 29 Nov 2010 10:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am a descendent of JOHN LILES, b. 1790; m. ANN BRASHEARS in 1811; died in 1812,in CHOCTAW NATION MS, with one daughter SUSANNAH or SUSAN, B 1812.
SUSAN LILES married ALLEN STANTON. They had a daughter, RUTHIE ANN STANTON, b. abt 1841. Ruthie died in Indian Territory (Oklahoma) in 1900 before completing her enrollment for the Dawes commission.
Is my JOHN the same as yours?
Reply to
on the ancestry messageboard, liles surname.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Mosely Ruthy 55 F 1/4 4506 NR SO MCALESTER BB
Choctaw Stanton Allen 0 M 4506 P
Choctaw Stanton Susie 0 F 4506 P
bb=by blood
this is one family group.
you can get a copy of the enrollment application and census card. ask for the testimony too.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Fulton Eliza 49 F 1/4 4667 NR MCALESTER BB
Choctaw Stanton Allen 0 M 4667 P

these people might have lived on native territory. natives were not taxed and therefore did not show on the national census. but there were native census records, databases and rolls.
marengo county, al marriage:
Allen Stanton married Liles, Susan 11 September, 1829

you might also look at the MOWA tribe, links in this post.
you might look at the AL and MS state archives.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto