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Looking for Geneology Information for my grandfather - LEON HOUSE

GretaandRosalee GretaandRosalee

posted on January 9, 2011

My mother and I are trying to find confirmation of our family oral history.
My grandfather, Leon Judd House, was clearly Native American and said he was of Choctaw descent. We have tried to locate our family in the Dawes Rolls without success.
He was born in Oklahoma in 1915, his mother, Clara Mildred Dater (Datier) was born in Missouri in 1887 to Sarah Elizabeth Rhoades who was also born in Missouri in 1867.
The father of Clara is recorded as Henry C Dater, but no additional information has been found about him.
My grandfather was very proud of his Indian Heritage and we want to share the details with his descendants.
If you have any information about our family or it’s ties to the Choctaw Nation, please let us know, Any information you can give us would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Greta and Rosalee.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 9, 2011

henry c. dater m. sarah elizabeth rhoades b. 1867 MO
clara mildred dater? b. MO m. ? house
leon judd house b.1915 OK

there were many choctaw that didn’t apply for enrollment. some were opposed philosophically. some did not qualify for enrollment.

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  1. ID: I01398
  2. Name: Henry C. Dater
  3. Sex: M
  4. Birth: ABT 1867
  5. Death:

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Marriage 1 Sarah Elizabeth Rhoades b: 13 JUN 1867 in Nodaway Co., Missouri

  • Married: 27 JUN 1882 in Nodaway Co., Missouri 1
  • Divorced: BEF 1888

Children

1. Has Children Mary Dater b: 1885 2. Has Children Clara Mildred Dater b: 13 JUN 1887

Sources:

1. Footnote: Nodaway Co. Marriages A-131

there are a few records on rootsweb worldconnect about this family.
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  1. ID: I90571174
  2. Name: Clara Mildred DATER
  3. Given Name: Clara Mildred
  4. Surname: Dater
  5. Sex: F
  6. Birth: 13 Jun 1887
  7. Death: in Paso Robles, San Luis Obispo Co., California
  8. Note: Alias: /Millie/

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Father: Henry C. DATER b: Abt. 1867
Mother: Sarah Elizabeth RHOADES b: 13 Jun 1867 in Nodaway Co., Missouri

Marriage 1 Harvey Harry HOUSE b: 22 Mar 1878

  • Married: 14 Dec 1902 in Newkirk, Oklahoma

Children

1. Has Children Violet “Faye” HOUSE b: 20 Jul 1904 in Ponca City, Oklahoma 2. Has Children Kenneth Harvey HOUSE b: 1 Aug 1906 in Ponca City, Oklahoma 3. Has Children Leon Judd HOUSE b: 8 Jan 1915 in Poteau, Oklahoma 4. Has No Children Coy Stanford HOUSE b: 8 Feb 1918 in Poteau, Oklahoma

on the dawes roll, all of the choctaw house records were designated as mississippi choctaw.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Kenneth Hause
Name: Kenneth Hause
Home in 1920: Kully Chaha, Le Flore, Oklahoma
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: Harve H Hause
Father’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Mother’s name: Millie Hause
Mother’s Birth Place: Kansas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Harve H Hause 35
Millie Hause 28
Faye Hause 15
Kenneth Hause 13
Leon Hause 5
Coy Hause 1
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Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Kully Chaha, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1468; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 110; Image: 440.
you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.
they rent a farm, which usually means that they didn’t receive an allotment. harvey was b. KY, millie was b. KS, the children were b. OK.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Leon J House
Name: Leon J House
Home in 1930: Poteau, Le Flore, Oklahoma
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Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1918
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: Harne H House
Mother’s name: Mildred C House
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Harne H House
Mildred C House 42
Kenneth H House 23
Leon J House 12
Coy S House 12
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Poteau, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll: 1911; Page: 5A and B; Enumeration District: 28; Image: 52.0.
henry was b. KY and parents b. KY. he owns a grocery store.
mildred was b. KS, father b. IL, mother b. MO
Social Security Death Index
about Leon House
Name: Leon House
SSN: 445-03-5055
Last Residence: 93446 Paso Robles, San Luis Obispo, California, United States of America
Born: 8 Jan 1915
Last Benefit: 93446 Paso Robles, San Luis Obispo, California, United States of America
Died: Jul 1984
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Leon Judd House
Name: Leon Judd House
Social Security #: 445035055
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1913
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Death Date: 17 Jul 1984
Death Place: San Luis Obispo
Mother’s Maiden Name: Judd

judd would make sense, since leon’s middle name is judd. but i don’t know how this corresponds to dater.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Kenneth Hause
Name: Kenneth Hause
Age in 1910: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s name: Harve H Hause
Father’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Mother’s name: Miburd Hause
Mother’s Birth Place: Kansas
Home in 1910: Hanson, Sequoyah, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
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Household Members:
Name Age
Harve H Hause 26
Miburd Hause 22
Fay Hause 5
Kenneth Hause 3
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Hanson, Sequoyah, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1272; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 198; Image: 440.

maybe this is the mother?
1900 United States Federal Census
about Mildred Judd
Name: Mildred Judd
Home in 1900: Timberhill, Bourbon, Kansas
[Bourbon, Kansas]
Age: 12
Birth Date: Sep 1887
Birthplace: Kansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s name: Joanna Judd
Mother’s Birthplace: Ohio
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
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Household Members:
Name Age
Joanna Judd 42
Jamey Judd 17
Charly Judd 14
Mildred Judd 12
Lee N Judd 10
Nettie Judd 6
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Timberhill, Bourbon, Kansas; Roll: T623_471; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 51.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto