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Ellen Cantrell/Lillie Pearl Cantrell Davis

Lisa Hudgens Lisa Hudgens

posted on January 2, 2011

I have found there Choctaw enrollment cards and they were entered in the tribe by the United States Court and there enrollement was overturned by the C.C.C.C. I have been looking for there enrollment cards for about 10 years now. I have a letter from Lillie Pearl to her daughter Goldia Davis Ramay who says the Choctaws are building her a house. This was in the 1970’s, but i have never been able to prove that she got her card. My grandma Goldia Davis Ramay has a minor enrollment application, but have not been able to find her card. I have contacted the Choctaw Nation and so has several relatives, but they cant find them either. Why would the Choctaws build her a house if she was not enrolled in the tribe.
Any help would be greatly appriciated.

Lisa Hudgens
zanesfolly@yahoo.com

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 2, 2011

is this your family?
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Davis Crock 0 M M1181 P
Choctaw Davis Golda May 0 F NR M1181 NR KITTIE M
Choctaw Davis Lillie P 0 F M1181 P

you should ask for the enrollment application, census card from NARA http://www.nara.gov fort worth office or oklahoma historical society, link in this email. you might want the testimony too. i see this packet is also available from footnote.com which is a subscription service.

there are also a few researchers with this family tree and you should contact them and trade information.
JUSTUS – PAINTER FAMILIES
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This information represents over thirty-six years of work. My objectives in posting it are to develop a more complete and accurate record for myself and to aid others in their own discoveries. Undoubtedly, I have included many errors in my work. For this, I beg the reader’s forgiveness and understanding. I am still actively researching so this work will continue to expand and improve. I appreciate any help I receive in improving its accuracy and completeness.
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  1. ID: I72036
  2. Name: Goldia Mae (May) DAVIS
  3. Sex: F
  4. ALIA: Goldia Mae /Davis/
  5. Birth: 2 JUL 1906 in Kittie, Coal County, Indian Territory
  6. Death: 19 OCT 1982 in Bakersfield, Kern County, California
  7. Burial: 22 OCT 1982 Hillcrest Memorial Park, Bakersfield, Kern County, California
  8. Census: 7 APR 1930 Brogdon Township, Johnston County, Oklahoma – Page 5A
  9. Note:
Bakersfield Californian Bakersfield, California October 1982 Ramay, Goldia M. “Granny” Services will be held at Hillcrest Mortuary Chapel Friday at 1 P.M. for Goldia May “Granny” Ramay, 76, who passed away October 19, Mark Cross, Minister of the Woodland Baptist Church will officiate. Mrs. Ramay was born in Oklahoma and had been a homemaker for the past 58 years. She is survived by four sons, JC , Bill, both of Bakersfield, Kenneth of Arizona, and James of Fresno, five daughters, Verla Stidman of Chowchilla, Billie Preston, Shirley Wyer, Lillie Pruitt , and Mary Buehring all of Bakersfield; one sister Evelyn Wallae of Arizona; 29 grandchildren and 35 greatgranchildren. Casketbearers will be Howard, Pete, and Donald Stidman, Bobby Rector, Larry Padila, and Steve Boyes. Honorary Casketbearer will be Hueley Heath. Visitation will be at Hillcrest Mortuary. Internment will be in Chapel Lawn in Hillcrest Memorial Park. Hillcrest Mortuary Funeral Directors.

HintsAncestry Hints for Goldia Mae (May) DAVIS

3 possible matches found on Ancestry.com Ancestry.com

Father: Crockett C. DAVIS b: 21 MAR 1885 in Lawrence County, Kansas
Mother: Lillie Pearl CANTRELL b: 6 MAR 1883 in Little Grassey, Indian Territory

Marriage 1 Finous RAMAY b: 7 JAN 1897 in Vienna, Johnson County, Illinois

  • Married: 25 AUG 1923 in Coalgate, Coal County, Oklahoma

Children

1. Jackson Crock RAMAY b: ABT 1925 in Oklahoma 2. Lillie Bell RAMAY b: 20 JUN 1926 in Oklahoma 3. Willie Bernadine RAMAY b: 14 FEB 1929 in Johnston County, Oklahoma

she was apparently born just before the dawes roll was closed.

  1. ID: I72035
  2. Name: Crockett C. DAVIS
  3. Sex: M
  4. Birth: 21 MAR 1885 in Lawrence County, Kansas
  5. Death: 18 DEC 1956 in Johnston County, Oklahoma
  6. Burial: Rosehill Cemetery, Wapanucka, Johnston County, Oklahoma

Marriage 1 Lillie Pearl CANTRELL b: 6 MAR 1883 in Little Grassey, Indian Territory

  • Married: 9 AUG 1905 in Atoka, Atoka County, Indian Territory
  • ID: I72034
  • Name: Lillie Pearl CANTRELL
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 6 MAR 1883 in Little Grassey, Indian Territory
  • Death: 12 AUG 1973 in Johnston County, Oklahoma
  • Burial: AFT 12 AUG 1973 Rosehill Cemetery, Wapanucka, Johnston County, Oklahoma

HintsAncestry Hints for Lillie Pearl CANTRELL

1 possible matches found on Ancestry.com Ancestry.com

Father: William W. CANTRELL b: ABT 1851 in Milam County, Texas or Milam, Sabine County, Texas
Mother: Ellen C. WEST b: 9 MAR 1850 in near Warsaw, Benton County, Missouri

1910 United States Federal Census
about Crock Davis
Name: Crock Davis
[Arch Davis]
Age in 1910: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Spouse’s name: Pearl Davis
Home in 1910: Ash Flat, Coal, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Crock Davis 25
Pearl Davis 22
Goldy Davis 4
Cleo Davis 1 6/12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Ash Flat, Coal, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1247; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 72; Image: 701.
crock was b.~1885 AR, parents b. AR, parents b. AR. he rents a farm.
pearl was b. ~1888 OK, father b. AR, mother b. MO.
children were all b. OK.

Household Members:
Name Age
Crock C Davis 34
Pearl L Davis 34
Goldie M Davis 13
Cleo B Davis 11
[11 6/12]
Theo C Davis 8
[8 3/12]
William R Davis 5
[5 4/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Ash Flat, Coal, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1457; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 591.
Household Members:
Name Age
Crock C Davis 45
Pearl L Davis 45
Bice R Davis 15
Stanford F Davis 5
Evelyn J Davis 2 8/12

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: 1908; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 20.0.

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Flat Creek, Lawrence, Arkansas; Roll: T623_64; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 68.
this might e your crocket, but i don’t know.

there are a few lillie cantrell records in 1900 but i don’t know if they are your relative. you should get a copy of lillie’s social security application or lillie davis’ social security application. anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has an application on file.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Crock Davis
Name: Crock Davis
County: Coal
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1885
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851697
DraftBoard: 0
you can print or save this card on ancestry.com. see your local public library to see if they have a subscription to ancestry.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Lisa Hudgens Lisa Hudgens

posted on January 23, 2011

This is the correct family. I have contacted the researchers that you recommended. most of the info they have came from me. I have copies of all the documents that you have mentioned. I have the Choctaw papers that all say denied. What i am looking for is why would the Choctaws build a house for a woman that they say is not a Choctaw Indian. I just got a paper saying there case was being reopened.
Lisa