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Looking for info on Henry T. Carr

mary lane mary lane

posted on December 24, 2010 and updated on December 24, 2010

There is a Henry T, Carr listred on the 1831 Armstrong Roll and I am trying to find the parents of a Mary Ann Carr who was born about 1828. He had 2 children at that time. He is listed as a white man. From verbal family history her father was white and her mother 1/2 indian (English mother, Indian father). I have been unable to find anyother reference on this man to determine if he is the person I am looking for. The first written record I have is when she married in White County, Il in 1847 the first time.Her parents and she were supposedly born in Va. Any help will be greatly apreciated. Mary

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 24, 2010

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/wardregister/
these people might have been mississippi choctaw. you might check land records for the carr family (father, mother, children) because choctaw scrip land was given in lieu of tribal enrollment.

you didn’t mention much about the children, so i can’t look them up on the dawes roll, if any of his children migrated and applied for tribal enrollment. no spouse for mary ann carr b. 1828 VA, no date of death/place of death.

white county, IL? this is not clear.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctawclaims/mushulatubbe_district.htm

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/county/crawford/Biographies/bhawkins.htm

VANWINKLE, NATHEN CARR, MARY ANN 1847-06-29 003/ WHITE
illinois state archives
http://www.ilsos.gov/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html

1850 United States Federal Census
about Mary Vanwinkle
Name: Mary Vanwinkle
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Birth Place: Virginia
Gender: Female
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): District 13, White, Illinois
Family Number: 364
Household Members:
Name Age
Nathan Vanwinkle 25
Mary Vanwinkle 23
Thomas Vanwinkle 7
Henry Vanwinkle 4
John Vanwinkle 1
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: District 13, White, Illinois; Roll: M432_132; Page: 291B; Image: 57.

children and husband are all born in IL. maybe thomas and henry were stepchildren.

i don’t know what your goal is. does it have to do with tribal enrollment or tribal affiliation or genealogy? the reason that i’m saying this is that it seems that you might be doing genealogy in a backwards way because you can’t find sufficient evidence with the basic method that you have been using. perhaps you should widen your sources of information on mary ann carr. obituary, cemetery record, death certificate might be helpful for mary ann carr. perhaps newspaper mentions, land records, court records and wills. maybe looking at the types of records in the illinois state archives.
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/marriage.html

i don’t know what type of records that you have for their children. childrens’ documents often point to the parents, fix the family to a location and date. you don’t describe documents that you have already collected, where your family went after 1850.

natives were not on the regular federal census in the 1800’s because they were not taxed if they were living on the reservation.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

mary lane mary lane

posted on December 27, 2010

Thank you so much. You have helped me so much.
Mary