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Jim Odell Richardson Jim Odell Richardson

posted on December 21, 2010

My paternal great-grandfather was Walter Thomas (W.T.) Gibson, an original Choctaw enrollee who was allotted land near Foster, OK in Garvin County.
W.T.‘s father was Reuben Gibson who had a twin brother named Calvin. Reuben’s father was James Gibson and his mother was (Maria?), both listed as Choctaw.
W.T.‘s mother was Nicey (Waters). Nicey’s father was George Waters, who is listed at one place as being on the Chickasaw roll, and Nicey’s mother’s name and tribal affiliation is not certain.
Research past this point has brought up little or nothing.
I would appreciate any information that goes farther back on the Gibson and Waters lineage.

Terry McVey Terry McVey

posted on April 2, 2011

I am also looking for my Gibson connections??? My Grandmother was Oma, sometimes called Naoma.born nov.1928?.She was the child of a Gibson and Gertie,from Alabama..Oma,s sisters names were Nellie & Pauline.They ended up in So. Illinois.If you have any info it would be very helpful. Terry McVey , mcvey_terry@yahoo.com

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 2, 2011

james gibson m. maria ?, both listed somewhere as choctaw
reuben gibson m. nicey waters (george waters, chickasaw?) and calvin gibson
w. t. gibson

no birthdates, only some spouse’s names mentioned. this is difficult with a common surname, having only one piece or two pieces of information about a generation.

is this your family? is thomas, w.t. gibson?
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Gibson Nicey 0 F 5565 P
Choctaw Gibson Reuben 0 M 5565 P
Choctaw Gibson Etta 1 F 1/4 5565 NR BURDY BB
Choctaw Gibson Jesse 1 M 1/4 5565 NR BURDY BB
Choctaw Gibson Verda 1 F 1/4 5565 NR BURDY BB
Choctaw Gibson Ada 3 F 1/4 5565 NR BURDY BB
Choctaw Gibson Laura 20 F IW 5565 NR BURDY BB
Choctaw Gibson Thomas 26 M 1/2 5565 NR BURDY BB
Choctaw Hale Mollie 0 F 5565 P
Choctaw Hale Newt 0 M 5565 P
p=parent, iw=intermarried white, a general nontribal description

if this is your family, you should get a copy of the enrollment application, the census card and testimony. footnote.com has not yet scanned the documents about this family, but you can get them from oklahoma historical society or NARA (national archives and records administration).

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

there are several calvin gibson records on the dawes roll. but i don’t know which might be your relative.
Dawes Results
Total Records: 8 Tribe Last First Middle Age Sex Blood Card Roll Misc Type
Chickasaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 435 P
Chickasaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Gibson Calvin 0 M D25 D
Chickasaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 435 P
Chickasaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 436 P
Choctaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 5525 P
Choctaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 5384 P
Choctaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 5386 P

i noticed that many of these calvin gibson records include a wife nancy. the same family appears on the choctaw rolls and the chickasaw rolls. that gives me some confidence that this is the same family.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Gibson James 0 M 83 P
Choctaw Gibson Maria 0 F 83 P
Choctaw Gibson Robert E Lee 14 M 1/2 83 152 PURDY BB
Choctaw Gibson Nicey 53 F 1/2 83 151 PURDY BB
Choctaw Gibson Ruben 55 M 1/2 83 150 PURDY BB
Choctaw Waters George 0 M 83 P

i am kinda not understanding what you want. earlier records? you might look at the NARA records at fort worth, TX. or the accessgenealogy records.

unfortunately, natives had an oral tradition and choctaw (or any other native language) didn’t have a written language until the middle of the 1800’s. the war department kept records 1800-1880 or so. the earlier records do not document everything, as later records did. many records are kept under the male head of house, for instance, just like the census records, before 1850.

i see that the chickasaw tribe does have some genealogical resources that might help you.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Traci Allen Traci Allen

posted on April 5, 2011

I am also decendent of Rueben and Nicey (Waters) Gibson!!! My great-grandmother (who is still living at 90 years old) Johnnie (Gibson) Meeker is Rueben’s grandchild. Her father was Robert Edward Lee Gibson, married to Belle (Minnie) Taylor. Small world, but my research stopped at Rueben and Nicey. I haven’t done much research myself, only looking for a possible relation to a friend of mine. Although I can check into what my family might have if your still interested, I see your post is several months old. If I can be of any help let me know my email is allentraci@rocketmail.com.

God Bless,
Traci