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Noah from Talihina Oklahoma

Rachal Hutfilz Rachal Hutfilz

posted on December 16, 2010

I am helping my adopted brother locate his biological sisters. My brother was born Eddie Dayle Noah in Talihina. His father was John H Noah and mother Inez. There were four children born to John and Inez: Eddie, John Wayne, Rhonda and Glenda. We are trying to locate Rhonda and Glenda. Any information would be very helpful. Thanks.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 18, 2010

you should contact the agency and state coordinator of adoptions in the state where the adoption occurred and talk to them about post-adoption services.
John Wayne Noah
Born: 9 Apr 1959

Died: 12 Nov 1992
you might try this obituary, the social security application, death certificate.
he might have passed away in maryland but i see he lived in oklahoma too.

inez’s surname was likely mcbride.

john’s middle name is likely howard.
this record is on rootsweb. you should contact the person who posted it.
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2788779&id=I02842

messageboards are excellent resources to find other family members.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Rachal Hutfilz Rachal Hutfilz

posted on December 18, 2010

Thank you so much for all of your information. We have requested the obituary of John Wayne by email. This person is/was a biological brother. Inez was a McBride (1st husband). Her maiden was Cogburn; 2nd marriage Noah; 3rd marriage Thompson. She was buried as McBride in the Prairie Grove Cemetery in Oklahoma. The 4 children; Eddie, John Wayne, Rhonda and Glenda were taken from the home in 1963 by Judge Hart in Poteau, OK. The girls were sent to an orphange in Talihina, OK. We think that that orphange is now the Goodland Boys school.

We have contacted the agency in Oklahoma for post adoption help, but have not heard anything in 3 months.

Eddie (now Bradley Kyle Amos) has a Choctaw ID card. Is there any way to find out if his sisters also have cards.

Thank you again for all of your information as this is very important to my brother.

Rachal Hutfilz
rhutfilz@msn.com

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 19, 2010

i don’t know the policy for the tribe on disclosure of information. you would have to ask them. if they are tribal members, you might be able to persuade the tribe to contact those members for you and give them an email or phone #. but i don’t know. i am not part of the tribe and have nothing to do with the tribe other than try to help people who post on this messageboard.

you should contact the orphanage, the oklahoma state adoption coordinator about this. it sounds as if it might have been a state type of action. you might look at the court papers.

Oklahoma
By court order. Passive registry, new intermediary system. State Adoption Dept: Dept. of Human Services, Division of Child Welfare, P. O. Box 25352, Oklahoma City, OK 73125 (405) 521-2778. State Reunion Registry: Only for adoptions arranged by the state. Contact State Adoption Dept.
i don’t know if this is the agency you were trying to reach.

http://public.esquireempire.com/Le+Flore+County+District+Court+Le+Flore+County+Courthouse+in+Poteau+Oklahoma

some links showing various county offices. note the rootsweb projects too, just in case you might find something there.
http://vitalrec.com/ok.html#County

you might be looking for a marriage license. is there an obituary of the parents? you can usually get obituaries thorugh your local public library, interlibrary loan program.

gl

Rachal Hutfilz Rachal Hutfilz

posted on December 19, 2010

Thanks again. You are truly a help. We are continuing our search and realize that this will take time and patience. In the meantime we are learning more and more about each other.

Rachal

Billy G McBride Sr Billy G McBride Sr

posted on March 31, 2011

Hi Rachal, I am billy McBride Jr, son of Billy Sr, and Grandson of Inez A and Leroy Boy McBride, I have been trying to find these children of Inez for a very long time now,
have never meet any of them Just heard from my uncles.
I do not have any info on the where a bouts of the other childrn of Inez and Noah, But i would be willing to help in any way i can.. you can write me at umpire43@umpire.com