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connie necaise connie necaise

posted on December 15, 2010

trying to find out about my great grandfather he is 1/2 indian the mississippi band..his name is eddie or edward pouyadou. spelling differs depending where you look. his wife was annie pouyadou (manzey)…I was told by my grandmother that his father was a indian chief. I am trying to put it all together if anyone can help me.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 15, 2010

Edward Pouyadou Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
08 AUG 1910 Bay Saint Louis, Hancock, Mississippi
Christening:
Death:
28 AUG 1982
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Andrew Louis Pouyadou Family
Mother: Irene Malvenia Necaise

this was an entry on the IGI index. i don’t know if this is true or not. since you didn’t give a birthdate, i have no idea. interestingly is your name and the mother’s name. i don’t know if he was registered with the mississippi choctaw tribe or not. you should contact them about that.

is this his mother?
11. Annie POUYADOU – U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 18 May 1891 State Where Number was Issued: Alabama Death: Mar 1986

this might be another person with this name.
http://www.hancockcountyhistoricalsociety.com/reference/indexchurch.htm?l=P

this is the problem. there are a few with this name. and your post doesn’t give much information.

there are these records:
Pouyadou Annie Manzy Bride M 12 1910
Pouyadou Eddie Groom A9 261 1945
Pouyadou Edward Groom M 12 1910
but i have no idea about them.
maybe annie manzy married edward pouyadou, volume book M page 12 in 1910?
Hancock County Marriage Index (1849 – 1956)

This database contains an index of all Hancock County marriages, as recorded by the Court, from 1849 to 1956.
Included are the bride, the groom, and witnesses. Brides are listed under their maiden name as well as their married name.
Starting in 1938, the Court also recorded father and mother of both bride and groom.

http://files.usgwarchives.org/ms/hancock/military/ww1/registrants/han-n.txt
this page might help you.

Pouyadou, Eddie 7 Sep 1887

i see that some of edwina’s family tree is on the internet. maybe you should contact them. edwina was a daughter of edward and annie. i guess she was also known as irma, or irma was a twin. same birthdate.
then merle/muriel is also on ancestry.com.
they might be listed on http://www.rootsweb.com too.

one of the trees says andre pouyadou and clementine forfe were his parents.
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* o EDDIE POUYADOU o * o Birth o + 17 SEP 1885 + in BAY ST LOUIS, MS o Death 9/2/1951

then another tree says john pouyandou and odile favre are his parents.

i think there is controversy.
maybe you should get a copy of his social security application and delayed birth certificate to settle that. i would also urge you to contact your family members.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto