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posted on December 14, 2010

GRANDMOTHER named Gertrude Saul
she was 100% Choctaw
and married my grandfather, Lonny Gordon,
and their son Floyd Charles Gordon
is my deceased father.

They were from Konowa and Aida Oklahoma.
My Grandfather was a businessman and he owned a chain of Gordon Rexall Drugstores in Oklahoma and Texas.

I would appreciate any information anyone may share.
their three children were:
1.
FLOYD CHARLES GORDON – “FLASH”,
MY DECEASED FATHER DIED SEPT. 18, 1942
2.
MILDRED LEE GORDON STARLIN – “MIMI” ,
MY DECEASED AUNT AND FATHERS ONLY SISTER DIED IN FEBRUARY 1979
3.
JOSEPH BAILEY GORDON – “JOE”,
MY WORLD TRAVELER UNCLE JOE
WAS MURDERED AND FOUND HANGING FROM HIS NECKTIE IN A CHURCH BELL TOWER IN OKLAHOMA.
JOSEPH BAILEY GORDON,

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 14, 2010

excellent information. no birthdates, though.
gertrude saul m. lonny gordon
floyd charles gordon d. 9/18/1942 place unknown, spouse unknown, no birthplace/birthdate

there are some sauls on the dawes roll, choctaw. no gertrude. the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906..

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Gordon Gertrude 0 F MCR6993 P
Choctaw Gordon Mary 0 F MCR6993 P
Choctaw Gordon Toneyh 0 M MCR6993 P
Choctaw Gordon Matella 7 F 1/8 MCR6993 ENNIS TX MCR
Choctaw Gordon Toney Jr 27 M 1/4 MCR6993 ENNIS TX MCR
p=parent
MCR=mississippi choctaw refused. mississippi choctaw is a separate tribe, links in this post.

but this website seems to say that her surname might be nall?
http://timbarron.net/familytree.html
or maybe that was the son of lonny and gertrude.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Floyd Gordon
Name: Floyd Gordon
Age in 1910: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: Lon Gordon
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s name: Gertrude Gordon
Mother’s Birth Place: Texas
Home in 1910: Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Lon Gordon 33
Gertrude Gordon 30
Floyd Gordon 6
Mildred Gordon 5
Bailey Gordon 3
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1274; Page: 23A; Enumeration District: 184; Image: 229.
ok, this looks like it might be your family.
floyd was .born 1904 OK, but gertrude was b. ~1880 TX.
this would indicate she was more likely mississippi choctaw, since the trail of tears didn’t go through texas but many unofficial migrations did. her father was b. OH, so her father was probably not native.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Gertrude Gordon
Name: Gertrude Gordon
Age in 1910: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Ohio
Mother’s Birth Place: Texas

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Gertrude Saul Gordon
Name: Gertrude Saul Gordon
Death Date: 13 Oct 1946
Death County: Hidalgo
Certificate: 46043

Household Members:
Name Age
John Saul 45
Ramie Saul 30
Gertie Saul 20
Sam Saul 18
John Saul 13
Mollie Saul 9
Lilly Saul 6
Guy Saul 1
Rex Saul 3/12

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 4, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1846; Enumeration District: 120.

father b. OH
nannie was b. TX, parents b. MS
all children were b. TX except the last 3, lilly, guy and rex.

1880 United States Federal Census
about Gertrude Saul
Name: Gertrude Saul
Home in 1880: Denison, Grayson, Texas
Age: 11m
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to head-of-household: Dau (Daughter)
Father’s name: John Saul
Father’s birthplace: Ohio
Mother’s name: Julia Saul
Mother’s birthplace: Texas
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
John Saul 26
Julia Saul 18
Gertrude Saul 11m
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Denison, Grayson, Texas; Roll: 1306; Family History Film: 1255306; Page: 188D; Enumeration District: 8; .

look at the texas tribes also.

an ancestry tree says that julia’s surname was ramie.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Gen Gen

posted on December 19, 2010

For info on murder of Joe Bailey Gordon:
Dickinson Research Center – National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum
1700 NE 63rd St., OKC, OK, 73111
405-478-2250
Shirley Collection
Guide to the Glenn D. Shirley Western Americana Collection:
Oklahoma Crime Cases Series
Ottawa-Woodward
Guide to the Glenn D. Shirley Western Americana Collection:
Oklahoma Crime Cases Series (1884-2002), Ottawa-Woodward
61 Document Boxes (20.6 cubic feet)
Location: 1534-1554
Collection #: RC2006.068
Accession #: 077
Tulsa County (Tulsa)
Box 50, folder 18
Victim: Joe Bailey Gordon, murdered 4/17/1949
Criminal: unknown

Gen Gen

posted on December 19, 2010 and updated on December 19, 2010

Just dug a bit more …
Ada Weekly News, Ada, OK, 4/21/1949, page 2
Texan Is Found Fatally Strangled
Tulsa, OK, April 18
43 yr. old Texan, Joseph Bailey Gordon, found dead in alley with tie pulled tight around neck, severe head beating, and handkerchief stuffed in mouth. He was a pharmacist, formerly from Okmulgee, but now of Donna, TX. Thought to have come to Tulsa Sat. seeking employment. ID’d by personal papers on him.