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chahta ohoyo chahta ohoyo

posted on December 11, 2010

hello…
I am trying to find if I have any Choctaw connections.
I am related to both the Dean and Folsom families.
Harriet Amelia Folsom and Frances Folsom are cousins.
My great grandmother was Nancy Jane Dean Smith.
I had an uncle, Henry Dean who lived on the Choctaw Nation.
I am from one of those families who knows they have Native American relations, but cant pin down because of non-‘tribal’ enrollment.
Anyone recognize any of the above names. Anything appreciated.

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suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 11, 2010

what you do is start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you will have more information to find your grandparents. i start with the death first and then work toward the birth record. if you get stuck on any one who passed away after 1/1/1937, and they are deceased, then you can ask for a copy of their social security application. they would have had to prove their age by submitting a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate.

from your post, it is not clear who her spouse was, who her children were, where and when she lived or died. there were many people in oklahoma around 1900.

i don’t know if smith is a married name or dean is a maiden name. both names are very common.

i don’t know if this is about your relative:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/dean/messages/7636.html
might be the same person:
janice truitt 2009-09-20 22:42:50
nancy jane dean
wife of lorenzo dow smith
mother of serentha smith holt
mother of rosa smith hodges
mother of pearl lillian smith
grandmother of janice weiss truitt
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  2. Name: Nancy Jane Dean 1 2
  3. Sex: F
  4. Birth: 1869 in MO 1 2

Father: Alexander Carroll Dean b: 10 DEC 1838
Mother: Susannah Jane Dean b: 16 JUL 1849

Marriage 1 Lorenzo Dow Smith

Children

1. Has No Children Pearl Lillian Smith 2. Has No Children Serenthia Smith 3. Has No Children Rose Smith 4. Has No Children Infant Male Smith

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/a/James-E-Branch/

maybe this is your relative:
1900 United States Federal Census
about Nannie J Smith
Name: Nannie J Smith
Home in 1900: Nocona, Montague, Texas
Age: 37
Birth Date: Jul 1868
Birthplace: Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother: number of living children: 3
Mother: How many children: 3
Spouse’s name: Lorenzo Smith
Marriage Year: 1885
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 15
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Lorenzo Smith 40
Nannie J Smith 37
Rasa E Smith 14
Serintha Smith 10
Pearl L Smith 7
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Nocona, Montague, Texas; Roll: T623_1660; Page: 12B; Enumeration District: 58.
if so, you might check on the texas tribes, the mississippi choctaw too.
you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

lorenzo was b. may 1860 MS and his parents were b. MS.
nannie was b. july 1868 MO, father b. TN, mother b. MO.
lorenzo was a farmer who owned the farm with a mortgage.

the children were all b. TX
they were married in 1885.
Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Lorenzo Dow Smith
Name: Lorenzo Dow Smith
Death Date: 30 Mar 1955
Death County: Montague
Certificate: 14338

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Nannie Jane Smith
Name: Nannie Jane Smith
Death Date: 31 May 1958
Death County: Montague
Certificate: 29449

i still don’t know if this is your nancy jane dean.

then again there’s this person. i don’t know if she is the same or different:
1880 United States Federal Census
about Nancy J. Dean
Name: Nancy J. Dean
Home in 1880: Precinct 2, Wood, Texas
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to head-of-household: Dau (Daughter)
Father’s name: James Dean
Father’s birthplace: Texas
Mother’s name: Millie Dean
Mother’s birthplace: Arkansas
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Marital Status: Single
Race: Mu
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

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Household Members:
Name Age
James Dean 31
Millie Dean 28
Nancy J. Dean 12
George W. Dean 10
Martha A. Dean 8
Tennessee Dean 5
Elizabeth Dean 4
Dean 1
Henderson Mcmillan 19
Henry Williams 15
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 2, Wood, Texas; Roll: 1333; Family History Film: 1255333; Page: 310C; Enumeration District: 125; .

i’m just guessing because of the lack of information in the post.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

cheryl graves cheryl graves

posted on June 29, 2011

Praise the Lord. I am going back as far as I can to show the possible relationship. We are having a family reunion in Sept. and this is the information I have gathered.

Henry and Mary Dean had (6) children.
Nonie Dean
Oscar Dean Sr.
Florence Dean Columbus
Ryiah Dean Ganton
Nancy Smith
Bubba (female} Dean
The only children I have nfo on are Oscar and Florence.

Oscar married Millie and they bore (8) children and my grandmother Josephine is one of them. She looks and has hair like a full blooded indian.

My grandmother has a brother named Henry Keith Dean..

ARE WE RELATED ??????

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 30, 2011

i am not native. i just try to tell people where the documentation is, so that they can pursue their genealogy. i have experience in native american records, so i answer these inquiries to pass on the information i have found.

you have names but no location or dates. this is a difficult thing.

is this the oscar dean family?
Name: Oscar Dean
Home in 1930: Police Jury Ward 3, Natchitoches, Louisiana
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Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Louisiana
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Millie Dean
Race: Negro (Black)
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Oscar Dean 49
Millie Dean 42
Bergon Dean 21
Herbon Dean 19
Dreamon Dean 17
Artries Dean 16
Oscar Dean 12
Mary Dean 10
Henry Dean 6
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Police Jury Ward 3, Natchitoches, Louisiana; Roll: 799; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 11; Image: 867.0.

Name: Oscar Dean
[Oscar Deas]
Home in 1920: Police Jury Ward 3, Natchitoches, Louisiana
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Louisiana
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Millie Dean
Father’s Birth Place: Louisiana
Mother’s Birth Place: Louisiana
Marital Status: Married
Race: Black
[Colored (Black)]
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Oscar Dean 39
Millie Dean 33
Bergeon Dean 11
Herman Dean 9
Dreama Dean 7
Josephine Dean 6
Archie Dean 5
Oscar J Dean 3
Dean 1
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Police Jury Ward 3, Natchitoches, Louisiana; Roll: T625_617; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 41; Image: 1142.

Name: Oscar Dean
Age in 1910: 28
Estimated Birth Year: 1882
Birthplace: Louisiana
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Louisiana
Mother’s Birth Place: Louisiana
Spouse’s Name: Millie Dean
Home in 1910: Police Jury Ward 2, Natchitoches, Louisiana
Marital Status: Married
Race: Mulatto
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Oscar Dean 28
Millie Dean 24
Brergon Dean 1
Nancy Dean 8
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Police Jury Ward 2, Natchitoches, Louisiana; Roll: T624_518; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 0083; Image: 1227; FHL Number: 1374531.

Name: Oscar Dean
Death Date: 25 Oct 1932
Estimated Birth Year: 1883
Age: 49 Years

Parish: Natchitoches
Certificate Number: 11392
Volume: 29
http://www.vitalrec.com/la.html

Name: Henry Dean
Home in 1900: Police Jury Ward 6, Red River, Louisiana
[Red River, Louisiana]
Age: 48
Birth Date: Apr 1852
Birthplace: Louisiana
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Spouse’s Name: Mary Dean
Marriage year: 1880
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 20
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Dean 48
Mary Dean 36
Oskar Dean 19
Joseph Dean 17
Willie Dean 17
Lee Dean 14
Viola Dean 11
Florence Dean 9
Milley Dean 5
Maria Dean 3
Nancy Dean 4/12
Henry Turney 3
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Police Jury Ward 6, Red River, Louisiana; Roll: T623_578; Page: 21B; Enumeration District: 87.

Name: Mary Dean
Home in 1900: Police Jury Ward 6, Red River, Louisiana
[Red River, Louisiana]
Age: 36
Birth Date: Oct 1863
Birthplace: Louisiana
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi

so it appears that these people might have been mississippi choctaw or jena choctaw.