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SIRMAN(S) and FREMEN (or FREEMAN)

Rhonda Young Rhonda Young

posted on December 4, 2010

Back in Mississippi (around Brookhaven in the 1800s), a man named Peter SIRMAN lived with his wife Hannah (HUTCHINS). Peter and Hannah had, at least, three children. These children married and then moved out to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) together in 1876. Their names were…
Willis Hugh(es) Germany SIRMAN who had married Mary Missouri ADAMS; Matilda Ann(?) SIRMAN who had married J. HOLLOWAY; and Martha L. SIRMAN, born abt 1840, who married William C. FREMEN (or FREEMAN), born 1833. (William C. and Martha were my GG-Grandparents.)
Years ago, I found in a book at the NSU Library (Tahlequah, OK) that some SIRMAN were Choctaw. I was wondering if anyone could connect my SIRMAN branch with the Choctaw line. I am only interested in this for family information/genealogy and not for acquiring a CDIB card. I know I would not be enough blood quantum to qualify anyway.
Thank you so much.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 5, 2010

peter sirman m. hannah hutchins
willis hughes germany sirman m. mary missouri adams
matilda ann sirman m. j. holloway
martha l. sirman b.~1840 MS? m. william c. freeman? b. 1833 MS?

they might be mississippi choctaw. the trail of tears occurred in the 1830’s from MS/AL and other southeastern locations to AR/OK/IT (indian territory). some chose to terminate their enrollment in the tribe and accept land. this land was called choctaw scrip (or other tribal scrip) and it was given to the head of the household 1830-1870 generally.

it sounds as if you have to look at two locations for your relatives. try the oklahoma state archives and the mississippi state archives for any records. NARA might also have records for you, the fort worth office and the atlanta office. http//www.nara.gov
http://mdah.state.ms.us/arrec/
vital records here:
http://www.health.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/31,0,109.html

http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/
link to oklahoma historical society here
http://www.digitalstatearchives.com/oklahoma

accessgenealogy has a lot of native information. see the links on the left
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

there are some sirmans but i don’t know if any are related to you:
Dawes Results
Total Records: 6 Tribe Last First Middle Age Sex Blood Card Roll Misc Type
Choctaw Sirmans Daniel Willis 2 M 3/8 NB1010 NB912 BROOKEN NB
Choctaw Sirmans Elsie 0 F NB1010 P
Choctaw Sirmans Elsie 0 F M1307 P
Choctaw Sirmans William O 0 M NB1010 P
Choctaw Sirmans William O 0 M M1307 P
Choctaw Sirmans William Otis 0 M 3/8 M1307 NR BROOKEN M

p=parent, b-by blood.
nb=newborn. m usually means mixed.
the card# column is a family group. you can click on the # in the card column and see the other family members.

willis b. 1849 MS
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Brooken, Haskell, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1254; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 85; Image: 66.

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: McAlester Ward 4, Pittsburg, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1483; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 211; Image: 1036.
with daughter annie ledford here.
1850 United States Federal Census
about Willis Sirman
Name: Willis Sirman
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Birth Place: Mississippi
Gender: Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Franklin, Mississippi
Family Number: 402
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Sirman 45
Hannah Sirman 30
Jesse M Sirman 11
Mary Ann Sirman 13
Nancy C Sirman 9
Martha L Sirman 7
Sarah J Sirman 5
Willis Sirman 2
Mary Hutchins 63
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: , Franklin, Mississippi; Roll: M432_372; Page: 28B; Image: 62.
peter b. SC, hannah b. TN, her mother b. GA, all children b. MS.
peter owns a farm worth $400.

1860 United States Federal Census
about Willis Sirman
Name: Willis Sirman
Age in 1860: 12
Birth Year: abt 1848
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1860: Franklin, Mississippi
Gender: Male
Post Office: Friendship
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Sirman 55
Hannah Sirman 43
Charlotte Sirman 28
Jesse Sirman 25
Matilda Sirman 24
Nancy Sirman 21
Martha Sirman 19
Jane Sirman 17
Willis Sirman 12
Mary Hutchin 71
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: , Franklin, Mississippi; Roll: M653_581; Page: 296; Image: 300; Family History Library Film: 803581.
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 8, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1851; Enumeration District: 85.

ok now we know where willis was, and he didn’t apply to the dawes roll.

i don’t see him in 1870 or 1880 census records, but i didn’t look more closely. he might have bbeen in the 1885 indian territory records too.

Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Beat 4, Lincoln, Mississippi; Roll: 655; Family History Film: 1254655; Page: 103C; Enumeration District: 34; Image: 0205.
1880 United States Federal Census
about Hannah Sirman
Name: Hannah Sirman
Home in 1880: Beat 4, Lincoln, Mississippi
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Birthplace: Tennessee
Relation to head-of-household: Self (Head)
Father’s birthplace: South Carolina
Mother’s birthplace: Georgia
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farming
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Sirman 66
Jesse Sirman 46
Martha Roberts 40

there is a roberts household nearby.

Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Township 6, Lincoln, Mississippi; Roll: M593_737; Page: 41A; Image: 85; Family History Library Film: 552236.
1870 United States Federal Census
about Anna Sirman
Name: Anna Sirman
Birth Year: abt 1812
Age in 1870: 58
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1870: Township 6, Lincoln, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View image
Post Office: Brookhaven
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Sirman 58
Thos J Coker 23
Sarah J Coker 26
R E Lu Coker 1
Mary Hutching 80
Elener Blunt 18

you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

Mississippi Census, 1805-90
about Peter Sirman
Name: Peter Sirman
State: MS
County: Franklin County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1841
Database: MS 1841 State Census Index
try mississippi archives for this record.

Mississippi Census, 1805-90
about Peter Sirman
Name: Peter Sirman
State: MS
County: Franklin County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1845
Database: MS 1845 State Census Index

This collection contains the following indexes: 1805 Jefferson and Wilkinson Counties; 1810 Territorial Census Index; 1818 State Census Index; 1820 State Census Index; 1822 State Census Index; 1823 State Census Index; 1824 State Census Index; 1825 State Census Index; 1830 State Census Index; 1837 State Census Index; 1840 Federal Census Index; 1840 State Census Index; 1840 Pensioners List; 1841 State Census Index; 1845 State Census Index; 1850 Federal Census Index; 1850 Slave Schedules; 1853 State Census Index; 1860 Federal Census Index; 1860 Slave Schedule; 1866 State Census Index; 1870 Federal Census Index; 1890 Veterans Schedules; Early Census Index.

Source Citation: Year: 1840; Census Place: , Franklin, Mississippi; Roll: 165; Page: 213; Image: 341; Family History Library Film: 0014840.
ancestry lists this as sarah sirman. there is a mary roberts living next door. i see the confusion on the name and don’t know what to say about it.

i wonder if peter had a brother:
View Record Name State County Township Year
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Josiah Sirman MS Franklin County No Township Listed 1841
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Peter Sirman MS Franklin County No Township Listed 1841
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Name: Josiah Sirman
State: MS
County: Franklin County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1845
Database: MS 1845 State Census Index

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Josiah Sirman MS Franklin County No Township Listed 1845
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Peter Sirman MS Franklin County No Township Listed 1845
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Peter Sirman MS Franklin County Friendship 1860

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907
about Peter Sirman
Name: Peter Sirman
Issue Date: 9 Sep 1835
State of Record: Mississippi
Acres: 77.63
Accession Number: MS0040__.211
Metes and Bounds: No
Land Office: Washington
Canceled: No
US Reservations: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Authority: April 24, 1820: Sale-Cash Entry (3 Stat. 566)
Document Number: 2070
Legal Land Description:
Section Twp Range Meridian Counties
13 6-N 6-E Washington Lincoln

View original on ancestry.com or http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907
about Peter Sirman
Name: Peter Sirman
Issue Date: 10 Nov 1840
State of Record: Mississippi
Acres: 80
Accession Number: MS0450__.025
Metes and Bounds: No
Land Office: Washington
Canceled: No
US Reservations: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Authority: April 24, 1820: Sale-Cash Entry (3 Stat. 566)
Document Number: 5001
Legal Land Description:
Section Twp Range Meridian Counties
14 6-N 6-E Washington Lincoln

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907
about Peter Sirman
Name: Peter Sirman
Issue Date: 30 Nov 1859
State of Record: Mississippi
Acres: 277.63
Accession Number: MS0590__.225
Metes and Bounds: No
Land Office: Washington
Canceled: No
US Reservations: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Authority: April 24, 1820: Sale-Cash Entry (3 Stat. 566)
Document Number: 13339
Legal Land Description:
Section Twp Range Meridian Counties
13 6-N 6-E Washington Lincoln
14 6-N 6-E Washington Lincoln
23 6-N 6-E Washington Lincoln

these look like cash sales, not choctaw scrip.
Source Information:
United States, Bureau of Land Management. Mississippi Land Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1997.
Original data: United States, Bureau of Land Management. Mississippi Pre-1908 Patents: Homesteads, Cash Entry, Choctaw Indian Scrip and Chickasaw Cession Lands. General Land Office Automated Records Project, 1997.

this was for the 1840 land recorfd. so your family may have been mississippi choctaw. you should write NARA for the homestead documents, not just the deed. you can download the deed from ancestry or the glo website.

same thing for the 1835 record. and same for the 1850 record.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Rhonda Young Rhonda Young

posted on February 15, 2011 and updated on February 15, 2011

Wow, Suzanne!! Thank you so much for all this wonderful info!!
Yes, the people listed below (taken from above)…

Dawes Results
Total Records: 6 Tribe Last First Middle Age Sex Blood Card Roll Misc Type
Choctaw Sirmans Daniel Willis 2 M 3/8 NB1010 NB912 BROOKEN NB
Choctaw Sirmans Elsie 0 F NB1010 P
Choctaw Sirmans Elsie 0 F M1307 P
Choctaw Sirmans William O 0 M NB1010 P
Choctaw Sirmans William O 0 M M1307 P
Choctaw Sirmans William Otis 0 M 3/8 M1307 NR BROOKEN M

…are in my Sirman family. I descended from Peter Sirmans’ daughter Martha. I believe that the people above are on Martha’s brother’s side (Willis Hughes Germany Sirman).

Martha (as stated before) married William C. Fremen (sometimes spelled Freeman). William’s family lived in MS, too, in the same area as the Sirmans. His parents may have been John and Mary (SMITH) Fremen/Freeman. We know nothing at all about John and Mary…though Mary was supposedly born in GA.

Anyway, just wanted to thank you again for all your help!!

Sincerely,
Rhonda (Fremen) Young
Oklahoma USA

rj_fremenyoung@hotmail.com