Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma

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Looking for Great great grandfather

John McMickle John McMickle

posted on December 2, 2010 and updated on December 2, 2010

I would like to know where the Su-Quak-Natch-Ah clan was located pre-removal. Family lore has it that my great Grandfather ws native american, his name Was John Henry Johnson, and he was born in January 1848 in Alabama. I have no idea what his fathers name would be, family lore has it that he was buried in Woodruff County, Arkansas. There is a David Johnson shown in that county as having a Federal Land Grant the name on the grant was Me-Ah-Sho-Tubbee according to the record this individual was deceased when the land patent was issued in April 1857. The assignee was Sho-To-Nah as a representative of Me-Ah-Sho-Tubbee . Any information would be greatly appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 2, 2010

john henry johnson b. 1/1848 AL d. woodruff county, AR

very interesting. have you got a copy of that land grant? there is paperwork that had to be filed. is the repository. would he have been 9 years old when he took the land grant out?

john henry and the surname johnson were common names and you have given no spouse, no children, only his birthdate and birth place and place of death in your post. i don’t know if you realize it but choctaw only became a written language in the mid 1800’s, so the natives probably don’t have records. so there are transliteration differences because the choctaw language has different sounds/letters. the arkansas territory did include the oklahoma territory at the time, but it was also known that the oklahoma territory/indian territory was set aside for a reservation. so residence in arkansas or indian territory or even oklahoma might refer to the same place.

you might look at the MOWA tribe or the mississippi choctaw tribe. the trail of tears occurred in the late 1830’s and your great grandfather was born in AL after that time.

i don’t know if that land grant refers to your family at all. i think not. the *tubbee names are usually from a particular band of native and the band that you are asking about is probably not the same one. however, i see the Sho-To-Nah name similarity to Su-Quak-Natch-Ah to a degree. however, would someone that is 9 years old have been named as a representative? i don’t think so.

unfortunately, this is not enough information to do a search. this name is VERY common. when a name is common, it is beneficial to disclose other possible details about their life, such as their birthdate, birthplace, date of death, place of death, spouse, children. you have not given a source of information for birthdate nor name of the particular band. in this case, you have given a possible place of death but no date. no spouse, no children. so i am stuck.

was he in the military during the civil war? did he have a civil war pension? when did he migrate from AL to AR?

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Terry Terry

posted on May 26, 2011 and updated on May 27, 2011