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posted on November 29, 2010

I am looking for information on my family history. My Grandfather’s uncle and a few of his siblings were born in Carriage Pointe or Post Oak grove Territory. They are David Morton Warner February/9/1881, Emily Susan Warner February/20/1883 and Hiram Alford Warner June 26, 1884. They 3 children of Franklin H. Warner and Sarah Ann Bickford. I am trying to find out information on my Indian Heritage. Some of this is just wanting to know and another part of it is being a foster parent of a child who is native american for over 27 months and I cannot adopt him if I do not find out tribal information. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 29, 2010

franklin h. warner m. sarah ann bickford

david morton warner b. 2/9/1881 IT/OK
emily susan warner b. 2/20/1883 IT/OK
hiram alford warner b. 6/26/1884 IT/OK

there is only one choctaw warner family on the dawes roll and it doesn’t appear to be yours.
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Martin David W 0 M MCR3910 P
Choctaw Martin Lucy D 0 F MCR3910 P
Choctaw Warner Mattie 21 F 1/16 MCR3910 MCR

MCR=mississippi choctaw refused. mississippi choctaw is a separate tribe, links in this email. some mississippi choctaw were enrolled in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma by council vote, but this only happened with early applications.

1900 United States Federal Census
about David M Warnes
Name: David M Warnes
[David M Warner]
Home in 1900: Frisco, Canadian, Oklahoma
Age: 19
Birth Date: Feb 1881
Birthplace: Indian Territory
[Indian Territory, Oklahoma]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: F Warnes
Father’s Birthplace: Ontairo Canady
Mother’s name: Sarah A Warnes
Mother’s Birthplace: Iowa
Mother: number of living children: 10
Mother: How many children: 11
Marriage Year: 1876
Marital Status: Single
Years Married: 24
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
F Warnes 47
Sarah A Warnes 41
David M Warnes 19
Emily Warnes 17
Alfred Warnes 15
Lewis Warnes 10
Bessie Warnes 8
Sam P Warnes 7
Ralph Warnes 2
Ella Warnes 4
Not Named Warnes 8/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Frisco, Canadian, Oklahoma; Roll: T623_1335; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 19.

franklin was b. april 1853 in canada, parents b. ENGLAND. he’s a farmer.
sarah was . march 1859 IA, father b. michigan, mother b. virginia.
all children b. oklahoma.

of these parents, perhaps the most likely native was sarah’s mother, b. virginia.

but they did not apply for enrollment, so tribal membership is probably not with one of the major tribes. you should look at the other tribes in oklahoma.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Hiram Alford Warner
Name: Hiram Alford Warner
City: Dayton
County: Montgomery
State: Ohio
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1885
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1832133
DraftBoard: 1
this card lists sarah anne warner as nearest relative, in oklahoma.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Sarah A Warner
Name: Sarah A Warner
Age in 1910: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Iowa
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Michigan
Mother’s Birth Place: Virginia
Spouse’s name: Franklin H Warner
Home in 1910: Frisco, Canadian, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Franklin H Warner 56
Sarah A Warner 51
Bessie Warner 18
Ellen Warner 14
Ralph Warner 12
Benjiman Warner 10
Lewis Warner 20
Frank Warner 4
Harry Aslock 16
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Frisco, Canadian, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1246; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 91; Image: 331.

sarah was here:
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Udell, Appanoose, Iowa; Roll: M593_375; Page: 505A; Image: 313; Family History Library Film: 545874.
and here:
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Udell, Appanoose, Iowa; Roll: M653_311; Page: 558; Image: 172; Family History Library Film: 803311.
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Udell, Appanoose, Iowa; Roll: M653_311; Page: 557; Image: 171; Family History Library Film: 803311.
the iowa 1855 census though, reports that evaline was b. IL.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Benjaman Franklin Warner
Name: Benjaman Franklin Warner
County: Canadian
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 27 Sep 1899
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851693
DraftBoard: 0

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Ralph Eugene Warner
Name: Ralph Eugene Warner
County: Canadian
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 22 Oct 1897
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851693
DraftBoard: 0

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Lewis Warner
Name: Lewis Warner
County: Canadian
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Oklahoma;United States of America
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1889
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1851693
DraftBoard: 0

lewis is single in 1920 census, living in canadian county, OK. ralph and wife lena are living there too.

i don’t see franklin or sarah.

i don’t know if this website would help http://iagenweb.org/appanoose/
i see they have some court records for bickfords:
http://iagenweb.org/appanoose/courtrecordsbookaa-b.html

this appears to be a local history book mention:
http://iagenweb.org/appanoose/1878udell.html

http://iagenweb.org/state/research/bmdguide.htm

another resource:
http://usgwarchives.org/ia/iafiles.htm
http://www.usgwarchives.org/ia/appanoose/appanoos.htm

i don’t know what this is, but it is talking about your family.
http://webspace.webring.com/people/bu/um_9610/brockville2.htm

this person has your family tree:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kentree&id=I06723

and so do this person
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1226691&id=I507393704

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto