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Whippoorwill Church

 Noodles Noodles

posted on November 26, 2010

I’am hoping someone out there has heard of a church by the name of “Whippoorwill Church”. It’s was or is a choctaw indian church near Standing Pine, Mississippi. My relative was buried there in the late 1800’s. That is the last date I know it existed. There should be a cemetery on the church grounds or least near by. If anyone knows this area of Mississippi or heard relatives who talked about this church before, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 26, 2010

these were the cemeteries in leake county.
http://genealogytrails.com/miss/leake/cemetries.htm

you should look at the rootsweb messageboards, webprojects. they have webprojects and messageboards for surnames, locations, tribes and cemeteries.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/

http://msleake.com/
you might want to look through this book:
http://www.joesue.com/Books/LKH/

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Gen Gen

posted on December 19, 2010 and updated on December 19, 2010

On my Leake Co., MS map at Standing Pine, there is a church with a cemetery across the road. The church is at edge of reservation land there. There’s also a cemetery without a church about two miles away on Hwy 487. There’s a Choctaw Missionary Baptist Church with a street address 526 Cemetery Road, Standing Pine, MS that has Choctaw language services. I don’t know who present missionary is but at one time it was Raymond Johnson, 601-267-7136 with a mailling address for church of P.O. Box 105, Carthage, MS 39051 and at one time as late as 2009, it was Gerald Willis, 601-663-9558, with a PO Box 135, Carthage. There is also a cemetery, no church, not too far away from Standing Pine at Estesmill, and just past it a church with cemetery. A surname, and fullname would help in your query, as I can’t find any Choctaw Nation cemetery listings on Leake Co., MS sites that I just briefly looked at.

 Noodles Noodles

posted on December 25, 2010

Regarding the search for Whippoorwill Church,Standing Pine, Mississippi, I am looking for the resting place of Whaelon Jim (D.Oct. 1900) and Alice Jim (D.July 1900) both are children of Simpson Jim and Eliza Jim.Simpson did make an application for Whaelon and Alice with the Dawes Commission but they passed away before is was finished. If I can find this cemetery, I hope it may be the resting place for other Jim family members.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 25, 2010

the dawes roll were people who applied to the five major tribes in oklahoma 1896-1906. natives that didn’t go on the trail of tears were largely not enrolled in the tribes. choctaw that didn’t go on the trail of tears are often called mississippi choctaw and this is another tribe. link was in my previous response.

no children, only a date of death, no place of birth or birthdate was in this post. i am not finding an entry for whaelon jim or alice jim at all but this might not be so surprising, since natives that stayed on reservations were not taxed and were not on the 10 year census. however there were census records on native reservations. accessgenealogy.com has many of those.

often the parents are listed on the dawes roll but i don’t see alice or whaelon jim there.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Simpson Jim
Name: Simpson Jim
[Jim Simpson Indian]
Age in 1910: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Mother’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Spouse’s name: Eliza Jim
Home in 1910: Bentley, Atoka, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Simpson Jim 58
Eliza Jim 40
Robert Jim 22
Ebera Jim 20
Tessa Jim 18
Clevan Jim 16
Ebert Jim 14
Abbot Jim 2
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Bentley, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1242; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 913.

the children were b. MS but albert? jim was b. OK.
it appears that eliza and simpson were married 25 years.

you might find some heritage information in the testimony and enrollment application.
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Dixon Annie 0 F MCR4406 P
Choctaw Dixon Annie 19 F FULL MCR4406 1579 MCR
Choctaw Dixon Philip 25 M FULL MCR4406 1578 MCR
Choctaw Jim Eliza 0 F MCR4406 P
Choctaw Jim Simpson 0 M MCR4406 P
p=parent
these people might have been enrolled.

U.S. Native American Enrollment Cards for the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914
about Simpson Jim
Name: Simpson Jim
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1852
Age at Census Enrollment: 50
Enrollment Date: 25 Sep 1902
Tribal Affiliation: Mississippi Choctaw
Census Card #: 0
Dawes’ Roll #: 710

http://theusgenweb.org/ms/carroll/choctaw/mckennonroll.htm
some jims here.

http://southerncemeteries.org/choctaw/choctaw.html

NARA has these records. fort worth office and maybe the atlanta office.
the mississippi choctaw tribe might have some. if they were enrolled in oklahoma, though, the choctaw tribe in oklahoma would have records and the oklahoma historical society would have records.

 Noodles Noodles

posted on December 26, 2010

Yes! This is my family, the names are spelled a little different. Egbert Jim, Tessie Jim. Clemmon Jim, Evan Jim, Whealon Jim, Alice Jim. Robert Jim (my Great Grandfather), Abbott Jim (My Grandfather, Robert’s Son).

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 26, 2010

robert jim’s enrollment # is 712, it appears

it appears that the jims settled in atoka county, OK.

gl.

btw, i don’t know if they were enrolled or not. you would have to check with the tribe about that.

Gen Gen

posted on January 4, 2011

Noodles, hon, you got lots more relatives out there! It seems Simpson Jim and part of his kids are buried in Bentley Indian Cemetery, Atoka Co., OK. His stone is broken in a pix, and has wrong birth at findagrave.com.

Simpson and Eliza Jim also had another child no one seems to have known about Annie who married Phillip Dixon. There’s lots of info in their Dawes Packet MCR4406. Simpson Jim’s father is believed to be Jim. Eliza’s father is Solomon York who was still alive in 1901 in Leake Co., MS. Still living in 1901, sibs of Simpson: Austin Jim, Josephine Jim married to Dixon York; sibs of of Eliza: Scott York, Sally York married to Columbus Dixon, a sister married to Julius Isom.

Both families of Phillip and Annie Dixon and Simson Jim (listed as Yim) are living side by side in 1900 Carthrage, Leake Co., MS.

Gen Gen

posted on January 4, 2011

Pulled up Austin Jim’s Dawes Packet MCR3398 and it has a bit more family info, another generation back, and where a whole slew of Jim’s and York’s, and other family went together to Indian Territory from MS, stuff that doesn’t seem to also be in some other packets it should that will show ya more kin.

Didn’t look up packets, but ya should also check out Scott York MCR2091 and MCR2171, Sallie York MCR 2112, Solomon York MCR4408, MCR4368, MCR4195, MCR 2171, MCR3013. That’s just a quick check.

Don’t know your financial situation, but footnote.com has these Dawes cards and packets online but ya have to pay to see them. It would be worth it for the volume of material there and lots cheaper and less aggravation than trying to deal with National Archives branch in TX. There’s probably other family members you could look up. The easy way to do it is to go to accessgenealogy.com to Native rolls for Dawes, and search by last name and tribe, so ya get Dawes card number and then go from there to footnote.com and pull up the data if the right thing doesn’t show up on link at accessgenealogy for those with footnote subscription. Lots of Jim’s and York’s there that may be kin. On York’s, part of time they were claiming to be black or white on census records.

 Noodles Noodles

posted on January 4, 2011

The dawes packet is where I received the missing information my mother could not remember. My Grandfather said we have a whole lot of Jim back in Mississippi. Just some information to pass on the others. In Oklahoma City at the Oklahoma Historic Society on Nazhi Zuhdi Drive, you can look up and read the dawes packet for free. You can also copy any pages you want if you don’t want to buy the whole packet. They charge 10 cents a page. They also have land records and some Indian payroll from the government. Maybe you can pass the word along for others who are looking.