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JoRaye JoRaye

posted on May 29

In my genealogy studies, I’ve found a few interesting roadblocks on the line where my roll number comes from. My great-grandmother is on the Choctaw Rolls, and I already have my CDIB and tribal membership. I know my Dad, my aunt, and her children would also be registered under this roll number. Is there a way to get the names of family members (maybe even just deceased family members for privacy) who are enrolled on a roll number?

My reasoning for this info is two-fold. First, everyone always thought my great-grandmother had 1 child, my grandmother. I have found census records that appear to show that she had a son in 1909, about 10 years before my grandmother was born. I plan on trying to see if there is possibly a birth certificate on file for this child to get more info, but I just don’t know enough right now to find out what happened to him. (Adopted? Died at a young age?) I thought maybe if he knew anything of his mother’s Indian ancestry, he or his descendants might have tried to enroll under my great-grandmother’s roll number. The second reason is that my gr-gr grandmother was also on the rolls, but she died in 1900, leaving my great grandmother as an orphan until her aunt adopted her, and she appeared to live with them for many years. Her aunt and cousin also have roll numbers which I know. If the evidence in my family’s Dawes Packet shows we are related, would I be able to get any genealogy/member information off of their roll numbers as well? Just trying to fill out more of this branch and though the Choctaw Nation might be able to give me more info. Thanks!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 29

enrollment #s are individual. the card# is the family group. they used the card# to try to render an enrollment decision for the people in the family as a unit, so this is an organization type of thing. i am not sure that card#s were maintained for all tribal members after the enrollment process concluded.

you don’t say anything about your family’s names or census #s or anything. there are no clues to be able to look at any records.

i work from the death backwards in time.
obituary-see your local public library/interlibrary loan program. state historical societies and state archives also have historical newspapers.
death certificate – county or state vital records. if older, you can ask the state historical society and state archives.
cemetery record – you can try findagrave.com and interment.net. county historical society might have some information.

you might get lucky and find an interview in the oklahoma pioneer papers. state historical society has these interviews. they also have oklahoma chronicles which can be searched.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
organized alphabetically by surname
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/CHronicles/index.html

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1940 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records. the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period. federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

there is a difference between tribal heritage and tribal enrollment.

find your relative in the 1900-1940 census. this will give you locations, family members, dates that you will need for looking on the dawes roll, taken 1896-1906 in the state of oklahoma/indian territory. the dawes roll lists applicants to the five major tribes of oklahoma. use the accessgenealogy website to do this or ancestrypaths:
http://userdb.rootsweb.ancestry.com/nativeamerican/
get family group/card#, members of the family:
partial surnames ok. just enter the surname.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm
partial names might not be found on this website.

find a possible name, click on the # in the card# column and this will show you the family group as of application. use the 1900 and 1910 census to match the names. write down the names, card#.

if you don’t find your family, then look at the 1900-1940 census locations for your family, look for nearby tribes. contact the nearby tribes to see if your family had enrolled. find out membership criteria for that tribe. there are tribes in other locations and other choctaw tribes. location is an important factor over whether a native enrolled in a tribe. you won’t find that an original enrollee enrolled in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma if they were living in another state, for instance. if your family was renting in 1910, for instance, they had not received a land grant from one of the five major tribes in oklahoma and were probably not enrolled. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes are on the dawes roll.

many natives did not want to live under tribal authority or didn’t qualify for enrollment or could not submit satisfactory evidence to a tribe. this is very common. it means that your family is not enrolled in a tribe.

there were a few natives that were enrolled by tribal council approval or lawsuit. i don’t have any way to tell you whether someone was enrolled because of this. you would have to contact the tribe for this information. however, some people have posted this answer and you might be able to use google on your family names and see this.

supposing you find your family in the dawes roll, then look at the oklahoma historical society dawes website and put in the name of someone in that family group that you found on accessgenealogy. this will give you the enrollment # if the enrollment was successful. write down the enrollment #s for your family.

if you found your family on the dawes roll, you might want a copy of the dawes packet. four sources for this:

1) once you have the card#, search here for documents. the website is free at this time:
http://www.ancestrypaths.com/five-civilized-tribes/
arranged by card#. use the slider bar at the bottom to approximate your card#. the packets are arranged in order of card#. usually the beginning document references the card#.

there may be more than one card# for a particular person, depending on whether they were a parent at the time of enrollment.

sometimes a family’s consideration also depends on an earlier decision in their family. so you may have more than one card# to look up.

2) fold3.com is an online subscription resource and one month’s subscription is less than the price of a dawes packet at NARA or oklahoma historical society.

3) NARA http://www.archives.gov fort worth, TX office
4) oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

a dawes packet contains census card, enrollment application, supporting documents and maybe testimony. even if your family was not enrolled, the genealogical information might be of interest to you.

the enrolled members are referred to as original enrollees. if your family had enrolled by blood then you are eligible to enroll in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. all tribes have membership criteria. if your family had been enrolled as freedman, then they were enrolled as former slaves and their descendants were not eligible to enroll in the tribe.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA http://www.archives.gov try the fort worth, TX office.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation and Choctaw tribe have no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian-census-records.htm
there is an 1860 and 1885 census in the indian territory

accessgenealogy’s collection of information: if you are from another tribe, use the links at the right.
if you are from an associated tribe, see the several possible links on the webpage.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family. other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://gateway.okhistory.org/
this has a search but you may have to read the whole edition of a newspaper to find your search match.
the search term will be highlighted. the newspapers (location and years) are limited, so you might want to search for the location and look at years available.

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.mowa-choctaw.com/

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-tribe.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian-census-records.htm

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it. you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

http://www.burlesonstar.net/nationalnews/ci_25815930
changing tribal recognition rules

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

you may want to make a heritage book.
http://www.photobookgirl.com/blog/make-your-own-family-heritage-and-genealogy-photo-book/

good family tree software:
http://www.techshout.com/features/2013/22/best-free-genealogy-software/
i use legacy. the free basic edition is great for the beginning and helps you organize.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

JoRaye JoRaye

posted on May 29

Hi Suzanne -

My great-grandmother was Myrtle M. Daugherty, 1893-1957. Roll #11103, Census Card 3964. Both her mother (Mary Louisa Moore/Daugherty/Riddle) and infant half-brother (Johny D. Riddle) died in 1900 according to the Dawes packet, so they were dismissed from the roll. Besides the family names on the census card for Myrtle’s father and maternal grandparents, there’s not much concrete evidence I can find for them since they have pretty common names to go back any further.

Her aunt shows up as Rebecca W. Daugherty (1868-??) (or Dougherty) and Rebecca W. Cabe after she marries. She has a son Elvin who is the same age as Myrtle, who also has the surname Daugherty. I’m not sure if Rebecca is Mary’s sister or Myrtle’s father’s sister, because I can’t figure out if Daugherty is her maiden name or if it was her son’s father’s name. Rebecca’s census card mentions the “enrollment of sister, Mary L. Riddle”. Rebecca and Elvin Daugherty are on census card 3974 and roll numbers 11126 and 11127.

I was able to find an Indian Territory marriage license entry for Myrtle Daugherty and Elmer Derry in 1907. The son Myrtle possibly had shows up on the 1910 census. You will see Myrtle is living with Rebecca and her husband, Myrtle is listed a niece, and Eli Derry, who is 1 year old, is listed as grandnephew. (No mention of Elmer….although he pops back up I’m pretty sure with a new wife and goes on to have other children.) I haven’t found anything on Eli Derry besides a man born in Michigan, with parents from Michigan, and lived in Michigan for the rest of their lives.

Sorry I’m long-winded, but maybe you or someone can lend a new perspective to my search. My main goals are: 1) Try to find out more about Myrtle’s grandparents, especially on the maternal side where the Choctaw comes from, but also anything about her father and his family. 2) Determine what side of the family Rebecca was from 3) Find out when Rebecca died 4) What happened to Elvin Harrison Daugherty? Most of my research on him isn’t airtight. 5) What happened to Eli Derry?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 29

first, you might be able to talk to the tribe about this eli derry. if he died as a child, then the tribe would not be violating privacy of the child by giving you the information. chronological information is valuable and you don’t say which census you found an eli derry, however michigan would be less likely since the information does not match. however, without looking at that census, i cannot say that the information does not match. it sounds as if the information does not match. i always look for census information, such as 1910, 1920, 1930, 1940 in order. i work from the death and go backwards because family stories might be useful to find locations/dates.

this is a systematic search, not a random process.

what i do is look at the census card# here:
http://userdb.rootsweb.ancestry.com/nativeamerican/

Native American Data for Myrtle Daugherty

Name: Daugherty, Myrtle
Tribe: Choctaw
Record Type: enrollment
Age: 6
Sex: F
Enrollment Type: BB (By Blood)
Blood %: 1/32
Card No.: 3964
Roll No.: NR

Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Daugherty James P (Parent) M
Moore Joe P (Parent) M
Moore Mary P (Parent) F
Riddle John H P (Parent) M
Riddle Mary L BB (By Blood) F 25 1/16
Daugherty Myrtle BB (By Blood) F 6 1/32
Riddle Johny D BB (By Blood) M 1 1/32

Native American Data for Rebecca W Cabe

Name: Cabe, Rebecca W
Tribe: Choctaw
Record Type: enrollment
Age: 31
Sex: F
Enrollment Type: BB (By Blood)
Blood %: 1/16
Card No.: 3974
Roll No.: NR

Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Daugherty C H P (Parent) M
Moore Joseph G P (Parent) M
Moore Mary E P (Parent) F
Cabe Rebecca W BB (By Blood) F 31 1/16
Daugherty Elvin H BB (By Blood) M 6 1/32

then take the card# and look at the dawes packet. card#3964 and #3974. joseph g. moore might be joe moore. this would indicate that rebecca is likely rebecca moore and sister to myrtle moore.

james p. daugherty is likely myrtle’s father and might be deceased.
i don’t know rebecca’s husband, male cabe. elvin’s father might be c.h. daugherty. this index doesn’t say anything about that.

sometimes cousins married.
you should look at the documents for elvin daugherty. was he alive 1/1/1937? if so, he would have submitted a delayed birth certificate to social security to show proof of age when the social security system came into effect. state vital records would have issued this delayed birth certificate.

CHOCTAW NATION MARRIAGES
GROOM INDEX
1895 – 1907

Transcribed by MARY TURNER KINARD
COPYRIGHT 27 APR 1992 Mary Kinard

Printed here with the Permission of J.D. Kinard and family for your personal use
NOT TO BE COPIES FOR USE IN ANY COLLECTION FOR PROFIT OR DISPLAY

C SURNAMES

FIVE FEDERAL COURTHOUSES IN CHOCTAW NATION

AT – ATOKA, ATOKA CO. OK, get copy of marriage from LDS Library

BR – DURANT, BRYAN CO. OK. get copy of marriage from Durant

Lf – POTEAU, LEFLORE CO. OK get copy of marriage from Poteau

Mc – McALESTER, PITSBURY CO. OK get copy of marriage from Indian Archives OKC

WIL – WILBURTON, LATIMER CO. OK you may be able to get copy from Muskogee Ok

CODES USED

un – NOT USED
nr – NO RETURN
er – ERROR
col – COLORED

GROOM AGE BRIDE AGE DATE RESIDENCE BOOK©PAGE

CABE, J C 29 DAVIS, BERTIE 19 25 DEC 1906 BOKCHITO AT3©353

CABER?, J M 42 DAUGHERTY, REBECCA W 32 7 OVT 1900 GLOBE AT1©422©844
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chockcmarr.htm

what does the 1900 census say? are they on the indian population schedule or the federal schedule? what does the 1910 census say? you are asking questions that might be resolved with sufficient vital records and don’t discuss the details of the census records. genealogists value little bits of information. what does the 1910 census for elvin derry say about the location of the father?

do you have any census records before 1900 for this family? were they living on-reservation or off-reservation? were they on a native census or the federal population census?

do you see my problem in replicating the census information? you are asking questions that might be resolved or bettered with cemetery records, vital records or census records. further, you are asking about multiple generations, more than one branch of the family. i doubt that i can resolve everything, since i don’t have records and just have to do things in a systematic way to see if i can resolve something for you. however, the vital records and land records are pretty important. if you don’t have the dawes packet, this would be helpful. while you can read some things online, all records are not online and may require payment.

it appears that others might be following your research, so someone will have to actually acquire records to resolve your questions.

for obituaries, try your local public library interlibrary loan program. state historical societies and state archives often have historical newspapers. county clerks might have vital records.

you have a bunch of unrelated questions talking about different generations/families. resolve the questions by generation by dates (newest to oldest). the tribe might be able to tell you the information about rebecca. click on services, department and contact the enrollment department.

you might be able to find a marriage or divorce for myrtle to this male derry. county clerk for this. be sure to check derry criminal or civil records of this time.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~okcoal/
check also the lookup volunteers. rootsweb might have more lookup volunteers for the area. also, ask the state archives and state historical society and local historical society about any historical books, cemeteries.

childrens’ records point to the parents and fix the location of the family with a date.

1900 United States Federal Census about Elvin H Daugherty
Name: Elvin H Daugherty
Age: 7
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Home in 1900: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Parent’s Name: Rebecca W Daugherty
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca W Daugherty 31
Elvin H Daugherty 7
James M Cabe 42
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1852; Enumeration District: 0103; FHL microfilm: 1241852.

is this your elvin harrison daugherty?
1930 United States Federal Census about Harry Daugherty
Name: Harry Daugherty
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Home in 1930: Forest, Pottawatomie, Oklahoma
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Clara Daugherty
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Daugherty 37
Clara Daugherty 41
Herman Daugherty 15
Lucile Daugherty 14
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Forest, Pottawatomie, Oklahoma; Roll: 1928; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0027; Image: 493.0; FHL microfilm: 2341662.
someone left a trail that says they might be the same people. have you contacted others who have this person in their family tree on ancestry.com?

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Harry Daugherty
Name: Harry Daugherty
County: Pottawatomie
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Oklahoma,United States of America
Birth Date: 4 Jul 1891
Race: Indian (Native American)
Draft Board: 4

on the 1900 indian population census, elvin is listed as the son of rebecca daugherty and james cabe is a hired hand. they are in township 2 north, range 9 east.
rebecca w. daugherty, head, indian female, b. aug. 1868, age 31, widow, had 2 children but only 1 survives, b. indian territory, father b. TN, mother b. MO, farmer, might not read or write, speaks english, owns a farm free and clear
elvin h. daugherty, son, indian male, b. sep. 1892, age 7, single, b. indian territory, father b. KY, mother b. indian territory, speaks english
james m. cabe, hired hand, white male, b. jan. 1858, age 42, single, b. indian territory, father b. TN, mother b. indian territory, farm laborer, reads and writes, speaks english
and james cabe is not on the special inquiries relating to indians.
rebecca w. daugherty, choctaw on her father’s side, is 1/16 choctaw
elvin h. daugherty, choctaw on his mother’s side, is 1/32 choctaw

rebecca’s maiden name is likely moore, so her first husband might be male daugherty. rebecca’s second husband is likely james cabe.

Native American Data for J G Moore

Name: Moore, J G
Tribe: Choctaw
Record Type: enrollment
Sex: M
Enrollment Type: P (Parent)
Card No.: 4289

Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Moore J G P (Parent) M
Moore Mary P (Parent) F
Moore Joesph R BB (By Blood) M 29 1/16

Native American Data for J G Moore

Name: Moore, J G
Tribe: Choctaw
Record Type: enrollment
Sex: M
Enrollment Type: P (Parent)
Card No.: 292

Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Jones Hillary P (Parent) M
Jones Mary E P (Parent) F
Moore J G P (Parent) M
Moore Mary P (Parent) F
Moore Jesse L BB (By Blood) M 44 1/16
Moore Frances Emma BB (By Blood) F 37 IW
Moore Rosie Jessie BB (By Blood) F 6 1/32
Moore Joseph Hillary BB (By Blood) M 5 1/32
Moore Ivy BB (By Blood) F 1 1/32
Moore Samual BB (By Blood) M 1 1/32
Moore Sylvia BB (By Blood) F 1 1/32

looking at the dawes card# information, i don’t see a joseph or j. g. moore that has an age. this indicates they were listed as parents but were not enrolled themselves. they were probably deceased.

i have not looked at all the records for mary moore to see if she was alive. but joseph/joe/j.g. moore appears to be deceased.

i almost think the harry daugherty records are not your elvin h. daugherty. but you would have to contact that person and evaluate the evidence.

the name elvin daugherty appears to be a little common.
maybe this is your relative.
Arkansas, County Marriages Index, 1837-1957 about Elvin Daugherty
Name: Elvin Daugherty
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1892
Residence: Augusta, Woodruff, Arkansas
Spouse’s Name: Marie Echals
Spouse’s Gender: Female
Spouse’s Age: 21
Spouse’s Residence: Augusta, Woodruff, Arkansas
Marriage Date: 25 May 1913
Marriage License Date: 17 May 1913
Marriage County: Woodruff
Event Type: Marriage
FHL Film Number: 1019393

look at maps. are these nearby locations?
http://www.okgenweb.org/okprojects/xref/help/str-regions.htm

http://www.okgenweb.org/okprojects/maps-dot.html

http://www.livgenmi.com/1895/
http://www.okgenweb.org/okprojects/atlas-key.html

i think it would help to have the land given to your family because the legal description would help locate the area on a map.

it appears to me that the 1900 census might be in coal county or johnston county. maybe pontotoc county.

it appears you have a family tree on ancestry.com

elvin daugherty is listed as having been alive 1/1/1940, so he would have a delayed birth certificate filed because of social security going into effect.

i don’t know what you mean that the research isn’t “airtight”. if you get documents, you will have more information.

i see that you have listed rebecca’s maiden name as daugherty. this is unlikely. you should list the maiden name as moore so that you might find others who are researching this family.

what does myrtle’s delayed birth certificate say? since this is in your direct line, you should get a copy of this from state vital records.

1910 United States Federal Census about Rebecca Cabe
Name: Rebecca Cabe
Age in 1910: 41
Birth Year: abt 1869
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Haskell, Coal, Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: John M Cabe
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John M Cabe 57
Rebecca Cabe 41
Alvin Harrison Cabe 17
Myrtle M Daugherty 17
Eli Derry 1
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Haskell, Coal, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1247; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 0078; FHL microfilm: 1375260.

well,, this is the likely county, coal county.

this census lists elvin’s first name as alvin, so you will have to look for both. it’s a fairly common transcription error.

myrtle is divorced and eli’s father is likely a male derry.

.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Elvin Daugherty
Name: Elvin Daugherty
County: Woodruff
State: Arkansas
Birthplace: Arkansas,United States of America
Birth Date: 4 Aug 1894
Race: African (Black)
i don’t see a race on the card, maybe it was an assumption.
i think this is a more likely lead than michigan.
the tribe might have an answer for elvin daugherty. but maybe he took the cabe surname.

1930 United States Federal Census about Elvin H Cabe
Name: Elvin H Cabe
[Elven H Cabe]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Race: White
Home in 1930: Kirk, Mccurtain, Oklahoma
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Myria Cabe
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elvin H Cabe 37
Myria Cabe 28
78
Henry Cabe 5
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Kirk, Mccurtain, Oklahoma; Roll: 1913; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 0020; Image: 414.0; FHL microfilm: 2341647.

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Elvern Cabe
Name: Elvern Cabe
County: Coal
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Oklahoma,United States of America
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1892
Race: Caucasian (White)
Source Citation: Registration State: Oklahoma; Registration County: Coal; Roll: 1851697.

now, i think this is likely. lots of people took the surname of their stepfather.

hope this helps.

suzanne hamlet shatto

JoRaye JoRaye

posted on May 31

Thank you so much Suzanne – it helps to have a new set of eyes on these things. I plan to work thru some of these details and see what more I can come up with. I can’t believe I didn’t think to search for Elvin Cabe – I was just focused on Daugherty. And I had actually just recently moved Rebecca from the Moore side to the Daugherty side on Ancestry to see what would happen/if any new hints would pop up. I have my great-grandmother’s Dawes Packet, but I will probably renew my Fold3 membership and get Rebecca’s as well. I also think my aunt has all the birth and death certs as she is the one who got everyone enrolled. I will be sure to check back and let you know if I make any breakthroughs!

JoRaye

JoRaye JoRaye

posted on June 3

Hi Suzanne -

Just wanted to let you (and anyone else following this) know I found out some more information.

4) What happened to Elvin Harrison Daugherty? I followed your lead on using Cabe as his last name and got him nailed down in an evening. He passed away in 1939 and had one son, Henry Harrison Cabe, who passed away in 2007 without any biological children.

5) What happened to Eli Derry? I was talking to my Dad and told him what I was chasing, and he told me about his mother’s step-brother, but then he corrected himself and mentioned he was pretty sure he was her half-brother. His name was Robert Cabe. He told me about him and my aunt going to Louisiana in the 70s to his funeral and to gather his belongings. I looked up Robert Cabe – he died in 1975 in Louisiana, was born in Oklahoma in 1909 – same year as Eli Derry. My theory is that Myrtle, being 16 when she gave birth to Eli Derry, was too young (and she went blind at a young age I believe, I know she was blind most of her life) so she may have given the baby to her aunt Rebecca Cabe to raise as her own. I’m not sure how that would have worked back then, but my next steps are to see if there are birth certs for Eli Derry/Robert Cabe, check with the Choctaws and see if he exists on either of the family roll numbers, and also call the funeral home where Robert was handled and see what info they may have.

Thanks again for your help and new insight Suzanne!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 3

when you ask for a birth certificate of a person who was born before 1940, also ask for a delayed birth certificate. this is because the county offices were not really set up and while they accepted birth records, many did not turn them in. but when social security came into effect 1/1/1937, people had to show a birth record to show proof of age. so many had to get delayed birth certificates to do this.

sometimes the social security application can help you with this. file an SS-5 form to get a copy of a deceased relative’s social security application. this is not considered a document to establish proof of parentage but it can give you clues about relationships, dates, locations.
http://genealogy.about.com/od/online_records/a/ss5_request.htm

also look at the obituaries, as parents, dates and locations were often mentioned in those.

suzanne hamlet shatto