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Is Julia Ann Allred (Simco/Chronister) Choctaw??

Angela Angela

posted on May 17

My aunt has told me that “Granny” which is Julia Ann Allred (b1850 Kirkwood MO) was 3/4 Native American. Julia was my great great grandmother. My aunt also told me that my heritage is Choctaw and Cherokee. I looked at what I could find on the Dawes roll, and couldn’t find her listed. But I found in a newspaper clipping that she moved to Indian Territory in 1887 and was a Homesteader in Caddo County until OK became a state Nov 16 1907, Her son Charles(Charlie/Charley) married Magnolia Bishop and the marriage is on the CHOCTAW NATION MARRIAGES
GROOM INDEX
1895 – 1907
Transcribed by MARY TURNER KINARD.
On the same listing, under the bride, Magnolia is listed as:
Bishop, Magnolia , 18 , Coalgate , C.N., I.T., to Chronister, Charlie , 19 , Coalgate , 19 Apr 1892

I am thinking the CN, IT stands for Choctaw Nation Indian Territory.

Any information that someone might have would be greatly appreciated as we are attempting to trace our Native American roots.
THANKS!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 17

CN=choctaw nation, IT=indian territory.
this is a location.

choctaw tribe of oklahoma is a tribe.

indian territory became the state of oklahoma in 1907. it was governed like a territory, by military forts. government services were provided by the forts.

there were business opportunities and land rushes drawing people to indian territory.

some natives didn’t apply for enrollment. maybe they were philosophically opposed to enrollment. maybe they couldn’t submit evidence of tribal affiliation. natives that had lived off-reservation were not creating native records and the people could be found on the 1800-1890 federal census records. natives that lived on-reservation were accepting rations and records were kept – they can be found on native census records.’

the treaty of rabbit creek was signed and natives were instructed to travel from MS/AL to indian territory in the late 1830s. then there was the guion miller roll for the cherokee.
http://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/guion-miller.html

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
and click on the right for the cherokee tribe.

these are the native records transcribed by accessgenealogy.com. the records are kept at NARA http://www.archives.gov

if your direct ancestor was not on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma, then you may have to try to find tribal affiliation. the dawes roll contains the names of applicants to the five major tribes in oklahoma. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma. location is an important factor in tribal affiliation as natives had to agree to live under tribal authority.

there are choctaw tribes in other states, and many other tribes in other states.

first you find your family in federal census records 1900-1930. this gives you names of family members, ages and locations.

then you try to find the same family in the dawes roll index. if you find your family, then look at the dawes application and supporting documents.

it appears that magnolia bishop and charlie chronister might have been living in indian territory.

there are some chronisters on the dawes roll but not your direct ancestor.
CHRONISTER, Art Cherokee enrollment M3706 More Info
CHRONISTER, Ella 3 Cherokee enrollment M3706 More Info
CHRONISTER, Lawrence 1 Cherokee enrollment 1433 More Info
CHRONISTER, Mary Cherokee enrollment M3706 More Info
CHRONISTER, Mary 15 Cherokee enrollment 1433 More Info

Native American Data for Art Chronister

Name: Chronister, Art
Tribe: Cherokee
Record Type: enrollment
Sex: M
Enrollment Type: P (Parent)
Card No.: M3706

Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Chronister Art P (Parent) M
Chronister Mary P (Parent) F
Chronister Ella M (Minor) F 3 3/8
this is family group M3706.

Name: Chronister, Lawrence
Tribe: Cherokee
Record Type: enrollment
Age: 1
Sex: M
Enrollment Type: BB (By Blood)
Blood %: 3/4
Card No.: 1433
Roll No.: 3896

Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Blair Elizabeth P (Parent) F
Blair Lewis P (Parent) M
Faulkner John P (Parent) M
Hinem James P (Parent) M
Snapps Manerva P (Parent) F
Faulkner Lawrence G BB (By Blood) M 43 IW
Faulkner Jennie BB (By Blood) F 37 1/2
Hinem James P BB (By Blood) M 18 3/4
Chronister Mary BB (By Blood) F 15 3/4
Faulkner Elizabeth BB (By Blood) F 12 1/4
Faulkner John F BB (By Blood) M 10 1/4
Faulkner Joseph BB (By Blood) M 2 1/4
Chronister Lawrence BB (By Blood) M 1 3/4

as you can see, your direct ancestors were not in either family group/card#.

this name is more popular than you would suppose. i see no magnolia chronister and i don’t know the possible children of charles chronister. so i am having difficulty finding charles and magnolia in the 1900 census. maybe they passed away?

findagrave.com memorial page for Charles W. Chronister
Birth: 1873
Death: 1913

Burial:
Emet Cemetery
Johnston County
Oklahoma, USA

Created by: Erice Wilcox
Record added: Jan 13, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 46632530

findagrave.com memorial page for nolia chronister
Birth: 1873
Death: 1913

Burial:
Emet Cemetery
Johnston County
Oklahoma, USA

Created by: Erice Wilcox
Record added: Jan 13, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 46632539

so they both passed away in 1913. this gives you a location also.

1910 United States Federal Census about Charley W Chronister
Name: Charley W Chronister
Age in 1910: 36
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1910: Myrick, Johnston, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Nolia Chronister
Father’s Birthplace: Texas
Mother’s name: Julia Chronister
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charley W Chronister 36
Nolia Chronister 36
James A Chronister 16
George R Chronister 14
Willie C Chronister 11
Marie A Chronister 9
Larenzo D Chronister 7
Rexford H Chronister 4
Mire M Chronister 1
[1 5/12]
Julia Chronister 59
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Myrick, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1254; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 0128; FHL microfilm: 1375267.

charlie was b. 1873 texas, father b. texas, mother b. missouri. they rent a farm. this would indicate that they were not tribal members and had not received an allotment from a tribe.

nolia was b. TX, parents b. AL.

you might check into the tribes near the parents’ locations in the 1800s.

1880 United States Federal Census about C.W. Chronester
Name: C.W. Chronester
[C.W. Chronister]
Age: 7
Birth Year: abt 1873
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1880: Precinct 5, Grayson, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: T.W. Chronester
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s name: Julia Chronester
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and Dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
T.W. Chronester 34
Julia Chronester 29
C.W. Chronester 7
S.O. Chronester 4
M.E. Chronester 2
J.L. Simco 11
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 5, Grayson, Texas; Roll: 1307; Family History Film: 1255307; Page: 300D; Enumeration District: 012.

texas was not on the trail of tears in the late 1830s. so this family was living off-reservation.

1900 United States Federal Census about Julia Chronister
Name: Julia Chronister
[Julia Cheronester]
Age: 49
Birth Date: abt 1851
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1900: Township 4, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Relation to Head of House: Head
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Julia Chronister 49
Belle Chronister 17
Laura Chronister 14
Hester Chronister 11
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 4, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1847; Enumeration District: 0126; FHL microfilm: 1241847.

1870 United States Federal Census about Julia Sims
Name: Julia Sims
[Julia Simco]
[Julia Allred]
Age in 1870: 20
Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1870: Precinct 2, Grayson, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: McComb
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Julia Sims 20
James Sims 2
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Precinct 2, Grayson, Texas; Roll: M593_1588; Page: 93A; Image: 189; Family History Library Film: 553087.

1860 United States Federal Census about Julia Alaed
Name: Julia Alaed
[Julia Allred]
Age in 1860: 14
Birth Year: abt 1846
1850
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1860: Grayson, Texas
Gender: Female
Post Office: Sherman
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
J M Alaed 32
Mary A Alaed 32
Julia Alaed 14
Martha Alaed 7
Sarah C Alaed 3
Joseph Alaed 23
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: , Grayson, Texas; Roll: M653_1295; Page: 181; Image: 366; Family History Library Film: 805295.

findagrave.com memorial for julia ann allred chronister
Birth: 1850
Adair County
Missouri, USA
Death: 1949
Oklahoma, USA

This is Julia Ann (Allred)(Simco) Chronister. She was born the daughter of Wilson Monroe Allred and Mary Jane (Jennings)in.

She married a Mr Simco about 1868 and had one son, James L Simco in 1869 showing in 1870 Grayson County, Texas. She then married George W Chronister and they are living in Grayson County, Texas in 1880. In 1940, she was living with her married daughter, Bell Dona (Chronister) Bain in Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma. She died in 1949.

Family links:
Parents:
Wilson Monroe Allred (1828 – 1910)
Mary Jane Jennings Allred (1829 – 1891)

Children: Hesther Lea Chronister Blackwell (1889 – 1974)* Siblings: Julia Ann Allred Chronister (1850 – 1949) Sarah Belle Allred Collier (1856 – 1921)* Mary Ella Allred Collier (1861 – 1947)* Wilson Allred (1876 – 1944)** Mildred Allred (1878 – 1897)** Birten Allred (1878 – 1955)** John Henry Allred (1883 – 1928)** Arthusa Orthesa Allred (1884 – 1912)** Alice Isadora Allred Craig (1885 – 1959)** Robert Hackley Allred (1888 – 1965)** Delilah Elizabeth Allred Cole (1890 – 1967)** Celestia Arvilla Allred Jacobson (1891 – 1952)** Iva Janet Allred Cason (1899 – 1988)**

Calculated relationship
*
Half-sibling

Burial:
Sunny Lane Cemetery
Del City
Oklahoma County
Oklahoma, USA

Created by: Spydergal 2011
Record added: Jul 11, 2012
Find A Grave Memorial# 93443170

1910 United States Federal Census about Julia Chronister
Name: Julia Chronister
Age in 1910: 59
Birth Year: abt 1851
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: Myrick, Johnston, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Marital Status: Widowed
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri

1940 United States Federal Census about Julia Chronister
Name: Julia Chronister
Age: 89
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Missouri
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Home in 1940: Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Inferred Residence in 1935: Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Sheet Number: 5A
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 4th grade
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ed Bain 55
Rona Bain 55
Julia Chronister 89
Source Citation: Year: 1940; Census Place: Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma; Roll: T627_3331; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 67-18.

i do not see that the family were homesteaders in oklahoma. i see them as renting a farm.

you should probably look at the obituaries through your local public library/interlibrary loan program. you should contact the cemetery and see if there is more information. you can try to find a death certificate through the state archives or the county vital records.

your ancestors might be native but i don’t see an application to one of the five major tribes. this is relatively common, especially if the family might have had difficulty gathering documents or showing that they were living under the authority of the tribe.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1940 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records. the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period. federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

there is a difference between tribal heritage and tribal enrollment.

find your relative in the 1900-1940 census. this will give you locations, family members, dates that you will need for looking on the dawes roll, taken 1896-1906 in the state of oklahoma/indian territory. the dawes roll lists applicants to the five major tribes of oklahoma. use the accessgenealogy website to do this or ancestrypaths:
http://userdb.rootsweb.ancestry.com/nativeamerican/
get family group/card#, members of the family:
partial surnames ok. just enter the surname.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm
partial names might not be found on this website.

find a possible name, click on the # in the card# column and this will show you the family group as of application. use the 1900 and 1910 census to match the names. write down the names, card#.

if you don’t find your family, then look at the 1900-1940 census locations for your family, look for nearby tribes. contact the nearby tribes to see if your family had enrolled. find out membership criteria for that tribe. there are tribes in other locations and other choctaw tribes. location is an important factor over whether a native enrolled in a tribe. you won’t find that an original enrollee enrolled in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma if they were living in another state, for instance. if your family was renting in 1910, for instance, they had not received a land grant from one of the five major tribes in oklahoma and were probably not enrolled. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes are on the dawes roll.

many natives did not want to live under tribal authority or didn’t qualify for enrollment or could not submit satisfactory evidence to a tribe. this is very common. it means that your family is not enrolled in a tribe.

there were a few natives that were enrolled by tribal council approval or lawsuit. i don’t have any way to tell you whether someone was enrolled because of this. you would have to contact the tribe for this information. however, some people have posted this answer and you might be able to use google on your family names and see this.

supposing you find your family in the dawes roll, then look at the oklahoma historical society dawes website and put in the name of someone in that family group that you found on accessgenealogy. this will give you the enrollment # if the enrollment was successful. write down the enrollment #s for your family.

if you found your family on the dawes roll, you might want a copy of the dawes packet. four sources for this:

1) once you have the card#, search here for documents. the website is free at this time:
http://www.ancestrypaths.com/five-civilized-tribes/
arranged by card#. use the slider bar at the bottom to approximate your card#. the packets are arranged in order of card#. usually the beginning document references the card#.

there may be more than one card# for a particular person, depending on whether they were a parent at the time of enrollment.

sometimes a family’s consideration also depends on an earlier decision in their family. so you may have more than one card# to look up.

2) fold3.com is an online subscription resource and one month’s subscription is less than the price of a dawes packet at NARA or oklahoma historical society.

3) NARA http://www.archives.gov fort worth, TX office
4) oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

a dawes packet contains census card, enrollment application, supporting documents and maybe testimony. even if your family was not enrolled, the genealogical information might be of interest to you.

the enrolled members are referred to as original enrollees. if your family had enrolled by blood then you are eligible to enroll in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. all tribes have membership criteria. if your family had been enrolled as freedman, then they were enrolled as former slaves and their descendants were not eligible to enroll in the tribe.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA http://www.archives.gov try the fort worth, TX office.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation and Choctaw tribe have no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian-census-records.htm
there is an 1860 and 1885 census in the indian territory

accessgenealogy’s collection of information: if you are from another tribe, use the links at the right.
if you are from an associated tribe, see the several possible links on the webpage.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family. other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://gateway.okhistory.org/
this has a search but you may have to read the whole edition of a newspaper to find your search match.
the search term will be highlighted. the newspapers (location and years) are limited, so you might want to search for the location and look at years available.

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.mowa-choctaw.com/

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it. you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

you may want to make a heritage book.
http://www.photobookgirl.com/blog/make-your-own-family-heritage-and-genealogy-photo-book/

good family tree software:
http://www.techshout.com/features/2013/22/best-free-genealogy-software/
i use legacy. the free basic edition is great for the beginning and helps you organize.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

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posted on May 17

findagrave memorial for Wilson Monroe Allred
Birth: Dec. 1, 1828
Bedford County
Tennessee, USA
Death: Sep. 26, 1910
Price
Carbon County
Utah, USA

Wilson Monroe Allred was the third child and first son born to William Hackley Allred and Elizabeth Ivie Allred. He was born to them December 1, 1828, in Bedford County, Tennessee. The log house where he was born was on land in Bedford County in Middle Tennessee about 50 miles south of Nashville. Today that area is in Marshall County.
When he was approximately two, his parents moved with other Allred and Ivie families to Ralls County, Missouri, near the Salt River about 25 miles west of the Mississippi River. Ralls County was soon divided and they became residents of Monroe County. The Allred and Ivie families farmed their land. He grew up in this area with his brothers, sisters and many cousins. When Wilson Monroe was 19, he married Mary [Jane] Jennings of Shelby County, Salt River Township, Missouri, on August 29, 1847. Shelby County is just north of Monroe County. The Justice of the Peace listed them as Monroe M. Allred and she was listed as Miss Mary Jennings. They are listed on the 1850 Federal Census in District 1, Adair, Missouri, as Monrou Allred, farmer, and Jane Allred. They were both 21 when that census was taken. Adair County is north and west of Monroe County. The couple had seven children. The first six were born in Adair County, Missouri: Julia; William Henderson; Sophine Clementine; a daughter who born and died the same day; Martha Mildred, and Belle Allred. Born in Grayson County, Texas, was Ellie or Mary Ella Allred. The family is on the 1870 Federal Census in Grayson County, Texas. Wilson M. was listed as a trader and Mary was keeping house. Five of their children were still living at home. Sometime after this census, the couple separated. Mary Jane Jennings Allred died in Bridgewater, Wise County, Texas, November 15, 1891.
His mother, Elizabeth Ivie Allred, died in Grayson County near Whitesboro, Texas, March 22, 1870. She is buried in a private cemetery in Grayson County. Sometime after 1870, he went to Spring City, Utah, with his father, William Hackley Allred, and younger sister, Pearlina Jane Allred Coy, a young widow with no children.
The first records for the father and son are in Spring City in 1874. In 1875, Wilson Monroe married Elizabeth Ann Ivie, the daughter of Richard Anderson Ivie and Elizabeth Dobson Ivie. They had 12 children. He then married Barbara Allred, daughter of his Uncle James Tillman Sanford Allred and Fannie Shantaquint. They had five children. The 1880 Utah Territorial Census lists him as a horse dealer and both wives as “keeping house.”
About 1898, he and his wife, Elizabeth, moved to Price, Utah. He died there September 26, 1910. The 1910 Federal Census listed his occupation as gardner. He is buried in the Price Cemetery.

Family links:
Parents:
William Hackley Allred (1804 – 1890)
Elisabeth Ivie Allred (1807 – 1870)

Spouses: Elizabeth Ann Ivie Allred Babcock (1858 – 1927) Mary Jane Jennings Allred (1829 – 1891)* Children: Julia Ann Allred Chronister (1850 – 1949)* Sarah Belle Allred Collier (1856 – 1921)* Mary Ella Allred Collier (1861 – 1947)* Wilson Allred (1876 – 1944)* Mildred Allred (1878 – 1897)* Birten Allred (1878 – 1955)* John Henry Allred (1883 – 1928)* Arthusa Orthesa Allred (1884 – 1912)* Alice Isadora Allred Craig (1885 – 1959)* Robert Hackley Allred (1888 – 1965)* Delilah Elizabeth Allred Cole (1890 – 1967)* Celestia Arvilla Allred Jacobson (1891 – 1952)* Iva Janet Allred Cason (1899 – 1988)* Siblings: Wilson Monroe Allred (1828 – 1910) Perlina Jane Allred Allred (1833 – 1910)* Enoch A Allred (1835 – 1918)* Joseph Robert Allred (1839 – 1920)* Celeste Rosalia Allred Johnston (1850 – 1917)*

*Calculated relationship

Burial:
Price City Cemetery
Price
Carbon County
Utah, USA
Plot: 1-A-075-03

Maintained by: AliceAnn
Originally Created by: kent shepard
Record added: Feb 22, 2008
Find A Grave Memorial# 24811578

and there is a picture.

findagrave.com memorial for Mary Jane Jennings Allred

Birth: Mar. 25, 1829
Missouri, USA
Death: Nov. 15, 1891
Wise County
Texas, USA

This is Mary Jane (Jennings) Allred. She married Wilson Monroe Allred in Shelby County, Missouri on 29 Aug 1847.

In 1850, “Monroe and Jane” Allred lived in Adair County, Missouri.

They had the following children:
-Julia (Allred) (Simco) Chronister
-Martha Allred
-Sarah C “Belle” (Allred) Collier
-Mary Ella (Allred) (Collier) Collier

After Wilson Monroe Allred’s mother died, he moved with his father to Sanpete County, Utah, without Mary Jane and his daughters.

Family links:
Spouse:
Wilson Monroe Allred (1828 – 1910)

Children: Julia Ann Allred Chronister (1850 – 1949)* Sarah Belle Allred Collier (1856 – 1921)* Mary Ella Allred Collier (1861 – 1947)*

*Calculated relationship

Inscription:
Mother

Note: headstone pictures online at http://www.wisecountytexas.info/cemeteries/headstone%20info.htm

Burial:
West Bridgeport Cemetery
Bridgeport
Wise County
Texas, USA
Plot: , , 1365

Maintained by: Jim Allred
Originally Created by: WiseCountyTexas.info
Record added: Oct 30, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 43742886

Angela Angela

posted on May 18

Thank you so much for the information. I had located some of it through FindAGrave. Charley and Magnolia (also known as Emily Magnolia Bishop) Chronister had 7 children:
James Allen Chronister
1894 – 1918

George Robert Chronister
1895 – 1959

Charles William Chronister
1898 –

Anna Marie Chronister
1900 – 1984

Lorenzo Dowell Chronister
1902 – 1987

Rexford Harvey Chronister
1906 – 1988

Muriel May Chronister
1908 – 1986

Anna Marie was my Grandmother. Julia was her Grandmother, and Magnolia was her mother. So I guess Julia is my Great Grandmother and my SON’S Great Great Grandmother. I remember my aunt saying something about that her family applied for a blood certificate(?) and were on the roll, but the records burned down with the courthouse in Tishamingo, so when the children applied, there was no proof anymore. Does that sound possible?

Here’s “Granny’s”/Julia’s Obit:
Granny’s Obituary

Mrs. Chronister Dies, Buried Friday Grandmother of Ada Woman Lived in Konowo for 35 Years Mrs. Julia “Granny” Chronister. resident of Konawa for 35 years before moving to Oklahoma City four years ago, died Wednesday afternoon in the home of a granddaughter, Mrs Rhea Wallis, Oklahoma City. Mrs. Chronister was the grand mother of Mrs. Clyde Meeks. Mrs. Chronister, who celebrated her ninety-eighth birthday; last December 25, had 43 grand children, 74 great-grandchildren and 14 great-great grandchildren. Born in Kirkwood, Mo., she moved to Caddo from Texas in 1887. Her husband, George W., Civil war veteran, died 55 years ago. She never remarried. She lived to see four wars and had members of her family in each. Her husband, then 18, fought in the Civil war as a substitute for a wealthy man who paid him $15 a month and furnished him with a horse and fighting equipment. Se had sons, grandsons and great-grandsons in the three wars which followed. Mrs. Chronister was guest of honor on her birthday last year when more than 50 of her descendants gathered at the Wallis home to pay their respects. She was the mother at eight children, two of whom survive. They are Mrs. Laura Horton, Ada. and Mrs. Hester Blackwell, China Lake. Calif. Services were Friday in Wyatt funeral home.

Newspaper: The Ada Weekly News › 1949 › September › 22 September 1949 › Page 2

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posted on May 18

no, that does not sound plausible. the native enrollment records are preserved. the tribe has copies, NARA has copies. the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma list the applicants to the five major tribes. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma, so you should check with tribes near your family’s location.

your grandmother’s grandmother would be your great great grandmother.

location is a major factor in tribal enrollment. to find a possible tribe, look at the 1800-1880 time period.

texas was not on the trail of tears in the late 1830s. there were several migrations from the east to the west. texas and oklahoma were frontiers in this time period.

both j. m. alldred and mary jennings were b. MO, by this census.

Missouri Marriage Records, 1805-2002 about Miss Mary Jennings
Name: Miss Mary Jennings
Marriage Date: 29 Aug 1847
Marriage Location: Shelby, Missouri
Marriage County: Shelby
Spouse Name: Monroe M Allred

1850 United States Federal Census about Jane Allred
Name: Jane Allred
[Mary Jane Jennings]
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1850: District 1, Adair, Missouri
Gender: Female
Family Number: 265
Household Members:
Name Age
Monrou Allred 21
Jane Allred 21
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: District 1, Adair, Missouri; Roll: M432_391; Page: 19B; Image: 45.

1850 United States Federal Census about Monrou Allred
Name: Monrou Allred
[Wilson Monroe Allred]
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1850: District 1, Adair, Missouri
Gender: Male
Family Number: 265

i often find that the documents that are closer to the event are more correct. this census says that mary was b. KY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adair_County,_Missouri
it appears that natives may have moved through adair county, MO.

it is a very difficult thing to try to find a tribe without the ancestors applying for enrollment in a tribe. this is why i advise you to find where your ancestors were located 1800-1880 or so, and try to find a nearby tribe. many natives lived off-reservation and away from tribal authority and it is very difficult to find the tribal affiliation in that instance.

http://500nations.com/Missouri_Tribes.asp
http://www.aihsc.info/Tribes.htm

the state archives and state historical society might be able to find documents or history.

as far as whether your ancestors were choctaw, they were living far north of the tribe. they lived off-reservation. the choctaw reservation was in MS and AL. there were other tribes that lived further north, such as chickasaw, cherokee, shawnee. if your family was native, it is not likely that they were choctaw, based on the location of your ancestors.

the chronister surname is somewhat common.

i don’t see any signs that these people were native. maybe your ancestors were listed on the guion miller roll.

http://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/guion-miller.html

there is a branch of natives in my family back around the 1800s and they did not go west to oklahoma, they did not register as natives on the guion miller roll. there is very little documentation for the family. our family story is that they moved northward from NC through VA up to WV to avoid moving to oklahoma. several current family members are trying to discover their tribal connection, so i can tell you that it is difficult if the natives did not disclose their tribal affiliation to the government. this is a choice that they made.

while your family might have been native, they might also have been disconnected from the tribe.

missouri archives have some older records. maybe a county clerk or the state archives have some early vital records for your family.

texas appears to be part of the journey toward oklahoma.
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/exhibits/indian/intro/page2.html

suzanne hamlet shatto

Angela Angela

posted on May 18

Wow! You are a wealth of information. I will start looking at tribes in missouri. I am pretty sure the connection to the Native American heritage was either with Julia Chronister or her mother Mary Jane Jennings. It is interesting to know that Mary Jane Jennings was born in Kentucky. I will investigate that too. I know information can get distorted when passed down via word of mouth. I only wish I knew where the family bible and photos went. Then I would have more firsthand data. Thanks for your help.

Angela Angela

posted on May 18

I found it! We are related to the Choctaw Nation through Sarah Lora Dillard (Chronister). Sarah Lora Chronister’s Father was John C. Chronister according to the The Journal of American Indian Family Research – Vol. V, No. 3 – 1984 By Larry S. Watson, Editor P. 614-615. John C. Chronister was George W. Chronister’s FATHER, who married Julia Allred (Simco/Chronister) my Granny! Grannny’s son was my grandmother’s Father (Charley)who is the one who married Emily Magnolia Bishop. According to this book, Sara Lora Dillard was 1/4 Choctaw and John Chronister was “fully half blood” and he married a choctaw woman. So then George would be 3/4 and Charley would be half, and my grandmother would be a 1/4 and I am a 16th!

Okay, I have a family tree that shows all of this, but I am assuming I have to find other proof also. Can you tell me what to do next?

attached:

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posted on May 18

as for family artifacts, the obituaries can help you. they often give family members names and locations. then you can use a white pages website like whitepages.com and get telephone numbers.

this is also one of the reasons that i post pictures on my ancestry.com family tree.

findagrave.com is a good website to post pictures also. the sponsor of the memorial often will attach pictures at the request of family.

you should look at worldconnect family trees on rootsweb.com and ancestry.com. anyone who posts about your ancestors is interested in family and genealogy. you should share information and sources.

rootsweb.com and genealogy.com have messageboards for surname, location, tribe.

maybe consider DNA tests and then transfer the results to gedmatch.com. this might connect you with family members, help you connect with other matches. start an account at gedmatch by choosing a username, then look at the upper right side of the menu to learn about transferring DNA results. you can compare prices of the DNA providers listed. our family used 23andme.com. i found FTDNA had a lot of choices but i wasn’t sure exactly what i was ordering, and i didn’t want to pay a lot of $ for different tests. ancestry.com has some tests also. i found DNA tests very useful because i was interested in genealogy and heritage. one of the things that DNA tests won’t do is prove tribal affiliation. part of the reason is that some people moved from one tribe to another through war, philosophy, slavery, location. bands of natives were communities, had philosophies and common locations. in my family, i show a small percentage of “native” blood but this is not specified as to tribe.

we found a second cousin and the brother of my childrens’ father through DNA. my children had wanted to find links to biological family because my childrens’ father had been adopted at birth.

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Angela Angela

posted on May 18

John C. Chronister is NOT on the Dawes rolls but there was a court case (Mary A. Sanders Et Al., Choctaw.Commission No. 789. United States court No. (53. Citizenship court No. 43-M.
Record September 7, 1896.) I HAVE ATTACHED THE RULING HERE. that recognized him as a half blood Choctaw, and awarded blood certificates to all of his decendants. Can I submit that court case for my Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB)?

attached:

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posted on May 19

you have to talk to the enrollment department for the tribe. i don’t know and have no resources to know. i am a volunteer and not connected to the tribe.

click on the services tab, then departments, then enrollment department.

read the FAQs.

Angela Angela

posted on May 26

I found an 1896 application for Julia A Chronister to the Dawes rolls. It says that these application were:
In June 1898, the Curtis Act was passed by Congress which forced the tribes to treat with the Dawes Commission. The 1896 enrollments were scrapped due to inaccurate data. Unfortunately, those individuals who had citizenship conferred by the federal courts were in most cases not notified that their citizenship had been overturned. This led to a variety of legal issues that ultimately prevented large segments of non-citizens from being enrolled by the commission as only the tribes had the authority to determine who was a citizen.

Are they generally still considered proof? I can get a copy of the application packet. She would have been 46 at the time of the application and already have married George Chronister so her last name would have been Chronister and the middle initial is also correct in addition to the tribe being Choctaw which is what I have been suspecting all along.

What do you think should be my next step?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 26

you have to talk to the tribe’s enrollment department. i am not associated with the tribe.

click on the services tab, then departments, then enrollment department.

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Angela Angela

posted on May 26

I will call them tomorrow. Thanks!