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Joseph Hall Joseph Hall

posted on November 18, 2010

I am looking for some help, I got some information, but tribal office won’t give me any help,

what I have

Mary Barr, Roll Number 1206 Mississippi Choctaw Full blood

I have another roll number 1207. Can anyone help me find all the information all both my family members? I don’t even know dates of birth or death. Any help would be greatful!

Thanks!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 18, 2010

this appears to be the testimony in the case.
you can get a copy of the application and the census card from NARA http://www.nara.gov or the oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/

one of those cases:
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Barr Mary Ann 0 F MCR7241 P
Choctaw Guice M T 0 M MCR7241 P
Choctaw Guice Benjamin J 23 M 1/8 MCR7241 2061 WOLF CREEK AR MCR

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Barr Mary Ann 55 F 1/4 MCR7240 DELIGHT AR MCR
Choctaw Jordan Caroline 0 F MCR7240 P
Choctaw Jordan Samuel 0 M MCR7240 P

p==parent

i notice that footnote.com says they have this dawes packet available. footnote is a subscription website but they have records online.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Mary A Barr
Name: Mary A Barr
Home in 1900: Wolf Creek, Pike, Arkansas
Age: 50
Birth Date: Nov 1849
Birthplace: Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother: number of living children: 0
Mother: How many children: 0
Spouse’s name: Geo W Barr
Marriage Year: 1879
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 21
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Geo W Barr 41
Mary A Barr 50

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Wolf Creek, Pike, Arkansas; Roll: T623_71; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 88.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Mary Barr
Name: Mary Barr
Age in 1910: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Spouse’s name: George Barr
Home in 1910: Township 9, Bryan, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Barr 54
Mary Barr 62
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Township 9, Bryan, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1244; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 29; Image: 366.

you start with what you know, gather your documents and then go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents.

childrens’ documentation points to the parents, fix the family to a date and location.

if anyone passed away after 1/1/1937, and they are deceased, you can get a copy of their social security application, which will tell you significant names, locations, dates. they had to file a document to show proof of age, so they usually got a delayed birth certificate. if you try to find a birth certificate, ask for a delayed birth certificate also.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto