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Sonya Deaton - (Pistubbee) Sonya Deaton - (Pistubbee)

posted on March 28

With Respect upon the subject matters here within,

In Regards to your-
George Roberts # 3843

It appears the no is not the roll No but
is the case no.

this is what I was looking at of the information

source: www.fold3.com

> type in search engine as such,

3843 (Roberts,Annie) > page 6- fold3.com

info within the above record is stated as such,

in the matter of the application for the enrollment of George W. Roberts as citizen by blood.

Proud Choctaw
MCR descendent
Sonya Deaton
Mississippi Choctaw

Katy Rains Katy Rains

posted on April 4

Thank you very much for the infomation, I am not real sure where to go from here. I have an older cousin who has offered to help me.I received some genealogy from other family that references George Roberts #3843 but his wife and children do not match the Choctaw information I received in the beginning of this post. I will keep searching.
Thanks again
Katy

Sonya Deaton - (Pistubbee) Sonya Deaton - (Pistubbee)

posted on April 6

REQUEST FROM OUR GENEALOGY OFFICE,

of any information of your paticular(s).

I had done such that and mailed to me was a copy of the record files of the MCR CASE FILE-(case nomber) TESTIMONY OF ……

-towhich consist of four digits of my paticulars.

again
request from genealogy office a copy-if applicable-of any record files
of the historical ancestor.

intent here to assist and learn of matters of our Tribe Choctaw

With Respect To Our Choctaw People

Katy Rains Katy Rains

posted on April 14

Sonya
can you please explain alittle more, how do I request genealogy records ? Any suggestions ?

I received the information below from my cousin

“I met with the Choctaw Nation enrollment agent in Duran OK in 2011, I was turned down. I produced the birth certs and marriage licenses but she would not hear me out. I showed her that most of the names match our genealogy except Annie was Georges sister not his wife. The last name Boswell was Annie’s married name. We talked about the census takers and the fact that there are many mistakes documented but she said unless we match exactly with the Dawes Role census form she could do nothing. I showed her that the US census report for this family also documents them in the city where that Dawes Role census was taken, still no luck.”

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 14

i am still having trouble understanding the problem.

is this your family? who are the people listed on it?

Native American Data for Annie B Roberts

Name: Roberts, Annie B
Tribe: Choctaw
Record Type: enrollment
Age: 23
Sex: F
Enrollment Type: BB (By Blood)
Blood %: 1/8
Card No.: 3843
Roll No.: NR

Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Boswell P (Parent) M
Boswell Ellen P (Parent) F
Roberts Frank P (Parent) M
Roberts George W P (Parent) M
Roberts Susan P (Parent) F
Roberts George W BB (By Blood) M 30 IW
Roberts Annie B BB (By Blood) F 23 1/8
Roberts Myrtle M BB (By Blood) F 7 1/16
Roberts Coleman BB (By Blood) M 1 1/16
Roberts Estala BB (By Blood) F 1 1/16
Roberts Mary E BB (By Blood) F 1 1/16

you don’t say anything about your family line. who was alive in 1900?
where were your family living in the 1900 census. the 1910 census.

what you have are common names. this might be the problem.

are you related to george or annie roberts? how are you related to the people on this census card?

are george w. roberts and susan the parents of annie roberts and she married a male boswell that was not listed on the census card?

the enrollment department requires that new members be directly related to an original enrollee. this is what you have to show, with birth/death certificates.

if this is your relative:
1900 United States Federal Census about Annie Boswell
Name: Annie Boswell
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1876
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1900: Chickasha, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Thomas Boswell
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Boswell 25
Annie Boswell 24
Lola Boswell 4
Robert Boswell 3
Recha Boswell 4/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Chickasha, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1849; Enumeration District: 0153; FHL microfilm: 1241849.

then the children do not match the names on that census card. so this annie boswell and family are not the persons on that dawes census card. there were over a million people living in oklahoma/indian territory by 1900.

1910 United States Federal Census about James L Tyner
Name: James L Tyner
Age in 1910: 38
Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1910: Amarillo, Potter, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Annie Tyner
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James L Tyner 38
Annie Tyner 34
Helen Tyner 8/12
Lola Boswell 14
Robert Boswell 13
Thelma Boswell 7
Tommie May Boswell 5
Charles S Yates 56
Charles W Yates 2
George W Yates 17
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Amarillo, Potter, Texas; Roll: T624_1582; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0200; FHL microfilm: 1375595.

in other words, it sounds as if the enrollment agent was not sure that the people in your family were related to an original enrollee. the date of death would have to match the date of death listed for their enrollee. the spouses would have to match the spouses for the original enrollee.

the index of names of applicants to one of the five major tribes:
http://userdb.rootsweb.ancestry.com/nativeamerican/
partial names ok.

the supporting documents here:
http://www.ancestrypaths.com/five-civilized-tribes/
use the case#/family group.
click on the link. the volumes are ordered by case#.

you should not try to take the native records and relate them to your family. you should take the census records, giving names, dates and locations, and relate them to the native records.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 15

you say that george roberts married nancy hignight and had a son john franklin roberts b. 1889.

1940 United States Federal Census about John F Roberts
Name: John F Roberts
Respondent: Yes
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Arkansas
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: South Keokuk, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Inferred Residence in 1935: Rural, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Residence in 1935: Rural, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Resident on farm in 1935: Yes
Sheet Number: 8B
Occupation: Farming
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented:
4
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 30
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Weeks Worked in 1939: 36
Income: 400
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John F Roberts 50
Alwa Roberts 47
Erwin Roberts 20
Chas Roberts 18
Margie Roberts 15
Marie Roberts 13
Riese Roberts 11
Pauline Roberts 8
George W Roberts 84
Tom Roberts 22
Source Citation: Year: 1940; Census Place: South Keokuk, Lincoln, Oklahoma; Roll: T627_3306; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 41-35.

tom is a nephew.
they rent a house/farm.
ervin was b. AR but the other children were b. OK.
this would mean that they stayed in AR until 1922 or so and moved to OK after that.

this might be george. as i said, the name is very common.
1930 United States Federal Census about George W Roberts
Name: George W Roberts
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Kentucky
Race: White
Home in 1930: North Fox, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William L Arbaugh 33
Nancy B Arbaugh 33
Niagria Arbaugh 12
Troy E Arbaugh 10
Jewel Arbaugh 8
Pearl Arbaugh 5
Ezra Arbaugh 3
[3 9/12]
Ruby V Arbaugh 1
[1 2/12]
George W Roberts 73
Frank Roberts 24
Opal M Roberts 17
Leona M Roberts 0
[7/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: North Fox, Lincoln, Oklahoma; Roll: 1911; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 0023; Image: 663.0; FHL microfilm: 2341645.

1920 United States Federal Census about George W Roberts
Name: George W Roberts
Age: 63
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1920: Walnut, Newton, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Nancy Roberts
Father’s Birthplace: United States of America
Mother’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George W Roberts 63
Nancy Roberts 62
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Walnut, Newton, Arkansas; Roll: T625_74; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 96; Image: 636.

1910 United States Federal Census about George Roberts Sr.
Name: George Roberts Sr.
[George Sr Roberts Sr.]
Age in 1910: 54
Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1910: Kentucky, Newton, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Nancy Roberts
Father’s Birthplace: United States
[United States of America]
Mother’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Roberts Sr. 54
Nancy Roberts 52
Rachel Roberts 26
Elijah Roberts 14
Nancy B Roberts 12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Kentucky, Newton, Arkansas; Roll: T624_59; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 0100; FHL microfilm: 1374072.

this might be your family. some of the children match.
1900 United States Federal Census about Nancy Roberts
Name: Nancy Roberts
[Nancy Roben]
Age: 40
Birth Date: Jan 1859
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1900: Boston, Newton, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Delford W Roberts
Marriage Year: 1877
Years Married: 23
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother: number of living children: 8
Mother: How many children: 9
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Delford W Roberts 44
Nancy Roberts 40
Jackson Roberts 17
Rachel Roberts 16
Nigarra Roberts 13
George Roberts 10
Franklin Roberts 7
Elige Roberts 3
Nancy B Roberts 1
Samuel Smith 40
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Boston, Newton, Arkansas; Roll: 70; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 0092; FHL microfilm: 1240070.

where did you get nancy’s maiden name?

Arkansas, County Marriages Index, 1837-1957 about Franklin Roberts
Name: Franklin Roberts
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1891
Residence: Fallsville, Newton, Arkansas
Spouse’s Name: Almer Gentry
Spouse’s Gender: Female
Spouse’s Age: 14
Spouse’s Residence: Fallsville, Newton, Arkansas
Marriage Date: 17 Apr 1909
Marriage License Date: 1 Apr 1909
Marriage County: Johnson
Event Type: Marriage
FHL Film Number: 1027108

1910 United States Federal Census about Frank Roberts
Name: Frank Roberts
Age in 1910: 18
Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1910: Kentucky, Newton, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Alma Roberts
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Roberts 18
Alma Roberts 16
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Kentucky, Newton, Arkansas; Roll: T624_59; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 0100; FHL microfilm: 1374072.

this might be your john franklin roberts:
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Frank Roberts
Name: Frank Roberts
County: Johnson
State: Arkansas
Birthplace: Arkansas,United States of America
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1891
Race: Caucasian (White)

it appears to me that your family was not living in OK at the time that the five major tribes were enrolling 1896-1906. it is very unlikely that they attempted to enroll in a tribe in a different state. when natives enrolled, they had to agree to live permanently under the authority of the tribe. there was a requirement that they live in oklahoma by the 1900 census.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Choctaw Nation Genealogy Choctaw Nation Genealogy

posted on April 15

Katie, contact genealogy@choctawnation.com and let us see what we can do to help.

Sonya Deaton - (Pistubbee) Sonya Deaton - (Pistubbee)

posted on April 15

Reply to Katie Rains-

send an e-mail to:
genealogy@choctawnation.com

Request Any Information of Your Paticular(s);
to which you directly descend from.

Request of the information to be mailed to your address.

With Respect upon these matters,
I will assist you futher upon the knowledge known to me and to share of information of our ancestor(s); to learn of our historical choctaw people.
My e-mail: deatonsonya@yahoo.com

Leo Pergson Leo Pergson

posted on April 16 and updated on April 16

Hope this Helps, No Affidavits. Choctaws Residing in Chickasaw District-Non Citizens-
The Choctaw enrollment was Cancelled- However, there are a lot of cross references as Choctaw/Chickasaw, that needs further researched- These two Choctaw/Chickasaw Roll Cards can be accessed in Fiold3.

attached:

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 16

leo, the picture link does not work. i am not associated with the tribe so i cannot fix it.

giving the source of the information may help the person looking for information. then they can look up information for themselves.