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Milli Milli

posted on March 24

Hello,
I’d appreciate any help anyone can give me about tracing my Choctaw bloodline.
My great great grandmother, born Dalenia Hays(Hayes) in 1865. She was living in Kentucky at the time of the Dawes Roll, but gave birth to a daughter, Maud, in Choctaw Nation in 1890.
I am not sure if it’s her younger brother, Jesse, who I found on the roll, card #999. He is listed on a 1900 census as living in Chickasaw territory, though, so it very well could be him.
Delania gave birth to James in 1887.
James had a son named Marvin.
Marvin had a daughter named Lois.
Lois is my mother.

I am hoping to find out more about Jesse, and if this is a strong enough link to apply for CDIB and tribal membership. My mother and aunts have never looked into it, and my grandfather passed in 1975.

Thank you again for any help you can give me. I’m very excited about this process.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 24

is hayes/hays a maiden name or a married name? who was her spouse?

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma and contains the names of applicants to the five major tribes of oklahoma. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma.

all applicants were not enrolled in a tribe.

natives that had not lived on reservations in MS and AL would have been at a disadvantage in being able to submit proof of heritage to the commission.

you look at where the family was living 1900-1940 and then look for tribes nearby.

dalenia maiden name unknown b. 1865 KY m. unknown male spouse hayes/hays

and if hayes was her maiden name, then you have not given the surname of her spouse or children. but since you have identified a jesse hayes as a possible brother of dalenia hayes, then i don’t have a spouse name or childrens’ surname.

maud hayes/hays b. 1890 indian territory/oklahoma
james hayes/hays b. 1887 location unknown m. unknown female
marvin hayes/hays no information
lois hayes/hays no information

hayes/hays is a common surname. you should include names, dates, location, children, spouse in any inquiry.

the significance of the card# is that the card is a family group. so if there was a jesse in the family, the rest of the family would be listed also.

KY is fairly far north for the choctaw tribe. the reservations were in MS and AL.

http://userdb.rootsweb.ancestry.com/nativeamerican/

this is the family/card# 999.
Name Age Sex Blood Card No. Tribe Roll No.
Jesse Hayes 28 Male Full Card #999 Choctaw by Blood Roll #2626
Rhoda Hayes 38 Female Full Card #999 Choctaw by Blood Roll #2627
Mary Hayes 8 Female Full Card #999 Choctaw by Blood Roll #2628
Josephine Hayes 2 Female Full Card #999 Choctaw by Blood Roll #14684

this jesse hayes was born about 1872 and married to a female named rhoda. they had children mary and josephine hayes.

i don’t know if you are aware that there is more than one choctaw tribe in the united states.

there are just too many possibilities, if there is no spouse/children’s surname.

in order to enroll in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma, you must be directly descended from an original enrollee of the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. a cousin or uncle will not help you with tribal membership.

you should let the documents give you locations, dates, children and spouse and see if there was a tribe nearby. the natives that had been living off-reservation for many years may not have enrolled with a tribe. often, they were living off-reservation because they didn’t want to live under the authority of the tribe.

you should find the census records 1900-1940 because this was when many of the tribes enrolled original enrollees.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have

a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about

women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one

is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your

birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can

start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a

social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate,

and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death

certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of

an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the

interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the

death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be

helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family

members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely

destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1940 or so, where they were located. a

good way to do this is by census records. the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-

1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period. federal census records can help you

here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage

quest, 2) ancestry.com.

there is a difference between tribal heritage and tribal enrollment.

find your relative in the 1900-1940 census. this will give you locations, family members,

dates that you will need for looking on the dawes roll, taken 1896-1906 in the state of

oklahoma/indian territory. the dawes roll lists applicants to the five major tribes of

oklahoma. use the accessgenealogy website to do this or ancestrypaths:
http://userdb.rootsweb.ancestry.com/nativeamerican/
get family group/card#, members of the family:
partial surnames ok. just enter the surname.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm
partial names might not be found on this website.

find a possible name, click on the # in the card# column and this will show you the family

group as of application. use the 1900 and 1910 census to match the names. write down the

names, card#.

if you don’t find your family, then look at the 1900-1940 census locations for your family,

look for nearby tribes. contact the nearby tribes to see if your family had enrolled. find

out membership criteria for that tribe. there are tribes in other locations and other choctaw

tribes. location is an important factor over whether a native enrolled in a tribe. you won’t

find that an original enrollee enrolled in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma if they were living

in another state, for instance. if your family was renting in 1910, for instance, they had

not received a land grant from one of the five major tribes in oklahoma and were probably not

enrolled. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes are on the dawes roll.

many natives did not want to live under tribal authority or didn’t qualify for enrollment or

could not submit satisfactory evidence to a tribe. this is very common. it means that your

family is not enrolled in a tribe.

there were a few natives that were enrolled by tribal council approval or lawsuit. i don’t

have any way to tell you whether someone was enrolled because of this. you would have to

contact the tribe for this information. however, some people have posted this answer and you

might be able to use google on your family names and see this.

supposing you find your family in the dawes roll, then look at the oklahoma historical

society dawes website and put in the name of someone in that family group that you found on

accessgenealogy. this will give you the enrollment # if the enrollment was successful. write

down the enrollment #s for your family.

if you found your family on the dawes roll, you might want a copy of the dawes packet. four

sources for this:

1) once you have the card#, search here for documents. the website is free at this time:
http://www.ancestrypaths.com/five-civilized-tribes/
arranged by card#. use the slider bar at the bottom to approximate your card#. the packets

are arranged in order of card#. usually the beginning document references the card#.

there may be more than one card# for a particular person, depending on whether they were a

parent at the time of enrollment.

sometimes a family’s consideration also depends on an earlier decision in their family. so

you may have more than one card# to look up.

2) fold3.com is an online subscription resource and one month’s subscription is less than the

price of a dawes packet at NARA or oklahoma historical society.

3) NARA http://www.archives.gov fort worth, TX office
4) oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

a dawes packet contains census card, enrollment application, supporting documents and maybe

testimony. even if your family was not enrolled, the genealogical information might be of

interest to you.

the enrolled members are referred to as original enrollees. if your family had enrolled by

blood then you are eligible to enroll in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. all tribes have

membership criteria. if your family had been enrolled as freedman, then they were enrolled as

former slaves and their descendants were not eligible to enroll in the tribe.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian

territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes

application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA

http://www.archives.gov try the fort worth, TX office.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation

or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements

do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the

tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the

base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal

constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as

tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show

your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply

to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency

office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian

Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or

she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing

the members of the tribe at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal

descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your

genetic make-up that is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that

is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or

higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation and Choctaw tribe have no minimum quantum

restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership

as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal

%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com

is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a

subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of

a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes

packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian-census-records.htm
there is an 1860 and 1885 census in the indian territory

accessgenealogy’s collection of information: if you are from another tribe, use the links at

the right.
if you are from an associated tribe, see the several possible links on the webpage.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the

reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s

name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death

index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name

at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society

or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time

of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others

with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical

society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the

birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many

people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because

they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the

federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by

fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls.

ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many

native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at

accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives

didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically

opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw

and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some

mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know

approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone

is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906

in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family

group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the

oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family

members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by

lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to

check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census

card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time

period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there

permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and

you can see other names in that family. other resources on the left and at the bottom of

this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage

records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could

be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://gateway.okhistory.org/
this has a search but you may have to read the whole edition of a newspaper to find your

search match.
the search term will be highlighted. the newspapers (location and years) are limited, so you

might want to search for the location and look at years available.

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through

interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society

and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public

library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history

books.

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer

papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your

family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably

has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has

archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast

tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving

your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID

NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no

provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe

Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony)

may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.mowa-choctaw.com/

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about

whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the

book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times

you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper

mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because

they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it. you should look at the enrollment application,

census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell

you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the

choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had

a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at

your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if

there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with

another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of

household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880

time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called

mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so

you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land

record packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for

tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe

applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe,

try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-

recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on

the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the

collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me,

shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

you may want to make a heritage book.
http://www.photobookgirl.com/blog/make-your-own-family-heritage-and-genealogy-photo-book/

good family tree software:
http://www.techshout.com/features/2013/22/best-free-genealogy-software/
i use legacy. the free basic edition is great for the beginning and helps you organize.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

neshobe cunningham neshobe cunningham

posted on March 25

I found a james hayes listed as Choctaw full blood card 999

Milli Milli

posted on March 25

Thank you Suzanne. That was very helpful. I’m not certain that Delania was an Oklahoma Choctaw. I have some more digging to do!

Hays(Hayes) was her maiden name. Her parents were William and Mary. Her married name was Hollars. I’ve found all this info on census rolls. Now I need to figure out if they were in a different tribe of Choctaw. That would make sense because Oklahoma is so far from Kentucky. Her daughter, Maud Hollars, was listed as born in 1890 in Choctaw Nation, but now I’m wondering where exactly they meant by that?! Oh the record keeping of yesteryear…

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 25

1900 United States Federal Census about Maud Hollars
Name: Maud Hollars
Age: 10
Birth Date: Jan 1890
Birthplace: Choctaw Nation
Home in 1900: Lower Regions, Whitley, Kentucky
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Columbus Hollars
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s name: Delany A Hollars
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Occupation: View on Image
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Household Members:
Name Age
Columbus Hollars 37
Delany A Hollars 34
James Hollars 12
Maud Hollars 10
Matison Hollars 7
Flora Hollars 6
William Hollars 3
Ancil Hollars 11/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Lower Regions, Whitley, Kentucky; Roll: 555; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0135; FHL microfilm: 1240555.

delany hays b. KY nov 1865, father b. OH (and probably not choctaw/native), mother b. KY.
columbus hollars b. KY oct 1862, parents b. KY.

they rent a farm.

i think you will find that you cannot trace their ancestry. they are not living near a reservation. the native records were generated from natives getting rations on the reservation. they were living off-reservation and not generating native records.

but bands of natives were living with other natives of the same band. location is a major factor. you might be able to discover an affiliation if you look at the locations of the family 1800-1830. i think there will be a small chance of this, unfortunately. you will have to look at the birth records of maud, if she was alive 1/1/1937 when social security came into effect because she had to submit a delayed birth record (state vital records) in order to show proof of age for social security.

Kentucky, Death Records, 1852-1953 about Maud Croley
Name: Maud Croley
[Maud Hollers]
Death Date: 28 Aug 1911
Death Location: Whitley, Kentucky, USA
Age: 24
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 1887
Birth Location: Whitley, Kentucky
Father’s Name: Lum Hollers
Father’s Birth Location: Whitley, Kentucky
Mother’s name: Lana Hoys
Mother’s Birth Location: Whitley, Kentucky

dang, she passed away before 1/1/1937.
but look, there is one record about where she was born.

1910 United States Federal Census about Maud Holters
Name: Maud Holters
[Maud Hollars]
[Maud Hollers]
Age in 1910: 21
Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1910: Williamsburg, Whitley, Kentucky
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s name: Lancy Prewitt
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
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Household Members:
Name Age
Lancy Prewitt 46
James A Holters 23
Maud Holters 21
Mat Holters 18
Flora Holters 16
Willie Holters 14
Ancil Holters 12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Williamsburg, Whitley, Kentucky; Roll: T624_506; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 0259; FHL microfilm: 1374519.

there is a whitely county, whitley city/mccreary county, KY.
you will have to discover what the death certificate refers to.
from the 1900 census, it probably means that she was born in whitely county, KY.
you might want to look at the 1900 census and see if anyone on that page owned a farm, then look at the property records to determine WHERE this location was.
i would bet that it was around williamsburg, like the 1910 census.

map of the county:
http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Whitley_County,_Kentucky

so i think the 1900 reference to choctaw nation was spurious, may have been a supposition by the census enumerator.

Tennessee State Marriages, 1780-2002 about Angeline Hays
Name: Angeline Hays
Spouse: Chistopher Columbus Holler
Marriage Date: 27 May 1886
Marriage County: Campbell

1880 United States Federal Census about Delania Hays
Name: Delania Hays
Age: 15
Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1880: Lower Regions, Whitley, Kentucky
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: William Hays
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s name: Mary Hays
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and Dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

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Household Members:
Name Age
William Hays 46
Mary Hays 35
Delania Hays 15
S. L. Hays 13
Jesse R. Hays 9
N. E. Hays 6
H. G. Hays 4
Oliva Hays 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Lower Regions, Whitley, Kentucky; Roll: 446; Family History Film: 1254446; Page: 153B; Enumeration District: 111; Image: 0302.

and the father b. OH was incorrect too.
did the census enumerator get their info from the family in 1900? or from a neighbor? or a kid? who knows.

1880 United States Federal Census about William Hays
Name: William Hays
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1880: Lower Regions, Whitley, Kentucky
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Mary Hays
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
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Occupation: Farm Labor

1880 United States Federal Census about Mary Hays
Name: Mary Hays
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1845
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1880: Lower Regions, Whitley, Kentucky
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: William Hays
Father’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeping House

this is fairly far north for the choctaw tribe.

another person who was on the guion miller roll says he came from whitely county, KY and was a cherokee. don’t take my word for it, but this roll might be helpful to you.
http://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/guion-miller.html
Index to the Applications Submitted for the Eastern Cherokee Roll of 1909 (Guion Miller Roll)

i don’t see the hollars or prewitt/pruitt names on the guion miller roll. but these names could be significantly misspelled, so you will have to look there.

eastern cherokee tribe is a possibility for your relatives. you should check with that tribe and any nearby tribe to see if any of your relatives tried to enroll. in order to know which names to check for, you need to know all family member locations and names/date of birth/place of birth 1900-1940.
location will be the major factor: location of your relatives, location of the tribe.

http://500nations.com/Kentucky_Tribes.asp
http://www.southerncherokeenationky.com/
http://www.native-languages.org/kentucky.htm

gl.
suzanne hamlet shatto

Milli Milli

posted on March 25

Okay, more info…

William Hays born in 1834, married to Mary (unknown maiden name) born in 1845.

Their children were Delania born in 1865, SL born in 1867, Jesse born in 1871, NE born in 1874, HG born in 1876, and Olivia born in 1879. Family lore says that they were all full blood Choctaw.

Dalania married Columbus Hollars in 1886.
She gave birth to James Hollars Jan, 18, 1887
James Hollars married Sarah Elizabeth
Their son Marvin Hollars was born June 8, 1923.
Marvin married Mazie Williams.
Their daughter Lois was born Dec 19, 1949.
Lois married James Wehr.
They had me. :)

As far as I know, Dalania was on some sort of reservation in 1890 when she gave birth to Maud Hollars, because her birth location is listed as Choctaw Nation on a census form.

But since I’m descended from Dalania instead of Jesse, I’m not sure where that leaves me. You said that lots of people didn’t register with a tribe because they didn’t want to submit to tribe rule, and knowing my family, that would not surprise me.

The census from 1900 has them living in Lower Region, Whitley County, Kentucky – so very near Tenn.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 25

i think you are making some assumptions. some states never had reservations.

kentucky was largely a hunting grounds for tribes, shawnee from the north and cherokee from the south. the chickasaw and choctaw broke away from the cherokee. all 3 tribes tended to share the same hunting grounds and were sometimes enemies. tribes were also not static, since natives were sometimes captured in war, or people left one band to live with another band. people lived in bands which were allied with a particular nearby tribe because of philosophy.

but as far as reservations, i cannot find any in kentucky. you should talk to the kentucky state archives or the kentucky historical society to find native resources in kentucky. you can ask them about the 1900 census entry. i cannot give you any information about it. i have just had some experience with genealogy and documents and this is why i gave you the explanation that i did. when i was a census enumerator, some people said their race was “martian”, for instannce, and since census is self-report, i marked the answer and went on to the next question. some documents contain information that is inaccurate and this might be because the enumerator didn’t understand the answer or the person giving the answer was casual about the question or deliberately gave an incorrect answer because they didn’t want to tell the enumerator anything, or a child gave an answer about something that they didn’t know.

since kentucky didn’t have reservations, NARA would not have native records from kentucky. the native records were developed from native rations picked up by natives living on the reservation.

kentucky historical society
http://history.ky.gov/
kentucky state archives
http://kdla.ky.gov/Pages/default.aspx

i don’t know kentucky state history in particular, so you should consult the experts on that. this is the website of the choctaw tribe of oklahoma and i try to help people learn how to do genealogy and point them to resources. i am a volunteer and not affiliated with the tribe.

suzanne hamlet shatto