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Stephen Shipp Stephen Shipp

posted on November 11, 2010 and updated on November 11, 2010

I’ve been searching for information about decendants of Ida Mae McClure or Dora Mae McClure Lyons. I believe Ida Mae married J A Shipp in the late 1800’s.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 12, 2010

i don’t know if there’s a relationship between ida and dora. not sure who dora’s spouse is. not sure if either of them had children. no location, no dates in your post.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Jasper A Shipp
Name: Jasper A Shipp
Home in 1900: Township 7, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 37
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s name: Ida Shipp
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jasper A Shipp 37
Ida Shipp 32
Madison Shipp 9
Nellie Shipp 6
Nina Shipp 4
Dewey Shipp 2
Tem Shipp 4/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 7, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1851; Enumeration District: 87.

there are some shipp families on the dawes roll,, but not with these names. they were mississippi choctaw and were probably refused enrollment.

jasper shipp, head, white male, b. august 1862, age 37, married 11 years, b. TX, father b. MS, mother b. TN, farmer, reads and writes, rents the farm
ida, wife, white female, b. jan. 1868, age 32, had 6 children but only 5 survive,, b. AR, father b. AR, mother b. TN
madison,, sonn,, white male, b. aug. 1890, age 9, b. TX
nellie, daughter, white female, b. dec. 1893 TX
nina, daughter, white female, b. april 1896 IT (indian territory)
dewey, son,, white male, b. april 1898 TX
tim?tom? son, white male, b. jan. 1900 IT

jasper could be a junior.

not sure about this:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Madison Aldridge Shipp
Name: Madison Aldridge Shipp
County: Cleveland
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Arkansas;United States of America
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1895
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1851697
DraftBoard: 0

i don’t know. i am guessing at information because there is not enough information to do a genealogy search.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 13, 2010

i notice the mcclures might have been associated with the folsoms.

http://www.marciesalaskaweb.com/folsomlineage6.htm

http://www.marciesalaskaweb.com/rogers1.htm

6. IDA4 WALL (ELIZABETH LAURA3 RIDDLE, JOSEPH2, WILLIAM1) was born 01 Jun 1877, and died 19 Mar 1911 in Calvin, OK. She married JACK MCCLURE 25 Aug 1901. He was born 03 Jun 1876, and died 21 Jan 1914 in Calvin, OK.

Child of IDA WALL and JACK MCCLURE is:
i.DORA MAY5 MCCLURE, b. 06 Apr 1904; d. 07 Jul 1995, Holdenville, OK; m. BARTONY LYONS, 26 Apr 1922, Poteau, OK; b. 08 Oct 1902, Poteau, OK; d. Unknown.
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/riddle.html

Samuel Z Damon Samuel Z Damon

posted on December 16, 2011

I am a descendant of Jasper A.. Shipp. I am the grandson of Damon Shipp, the last child born to the couple after Nina, Nell and Tom. My name at birth was Samuel Damon Shipp. My father was Ronald Damon Shipp. I changed my name about 1984 to Sam Z. Damon – my stage name. I have a photograph of Jasper taken in Granger, Texas that was taken around 1870.

Deborah McClure Deborah McClure

posted on January 10, 2012

I noticed the post about child of Ida Wall and Jack McClure in Poteau Oklahoma. My father, Jack McClure, was born in Poteau Oklahoma in 1906. He was related to the Shipps because he took me to visit Tom (?) Shipp in East Texas (I think) when I was a young child. I remember because Mr. Shipp wanted to give me a puppy.
I know one of my Dad’s close relaives was named Sam Ed. He was also cousin to the Wyndhams who were prominent attoneys and judges in Poteau.