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Looking for Baggs Family

Kathy Kathy

posted on November 10, 2010 and updated on November 10, 2010

Hello, I am trying to trace my grandmothers family. Her name was Loreen or Loraine Church Baggs. I dont know her maided name. She died very young in Antlers, OK. My mother, (Alama Jean Church, dob 09 jan 1936) also deceased, had her cdib, which we cannot find. I am trying to prove my ancestry so I can get my cdib. My mohter had 2 younger brothers, Sidney and i can only remember the nick name “Steam Boat” Any help is appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 11, 2010

loreen/loraine ? m1. ? church m2. baggs
alama jean church b. 1/9/1936 d. ? place unknown

i can’t use the 1930 census to search for alama. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

if she was a member of the tribe,, call the tribe. you don’t have to search for the card. they have the records. but if she was not a member of the tribe, then you have to do your genealogy and see if you descend directly from an original enrollee.

when you apply for enrollment, you only have to submit documents that they don’t have. so if your mother was enrolled, this means you submit her marriage license, if they don’t have that, and your birth certificate. they return the documents, because they require originals.

you are missing some pieces here. it is not clear which spouse was married first or when. no approximate dates of birth/death. no names of spouses. no names of other children. no date of death for alama. no place of death. no names of spouses.

would this be the brother?
1930 United States Federal Census
about Sidney Boggs
Name: Sidney Boggs
Home in 1930: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
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House Number: 106
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Birth Place: Ark
Mother’s Birth Place: Tenn
Parent’s Name: Sarah Boggs
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Boggs 67
Martin Boggs 28
Sidney Boggs 22
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: 1929; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 6; Image: 699.0.

i don’t see a sarah boggs or sarah baggs on the dawes roll.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

sarah and sons are corrected here to the surname baggs.
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Kiamichi, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 230; Image: 507.

this is the same family but i still don’t see lorene.
Household Members:
Name Age
Sam Baggs 35
Sarah Baggs 47
Martin Baggs 8
Sidney Baggs 2
Sarrah Pollard 18
Lela Pollard 15
Frank Holaday 19

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1271; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 265; Image: 1234.

i’m pretty much guessing, trying to fill in the blanks.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto