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LEONARD MILES LEONARD MILES

posted on December 14, 2013 and updated on December 14, 2013

SEEKING a Choctaw Genealogist.
My Grandmother, Susie Wade, was on the 1894 Indian Census as Choctaw. She was the wife of John Miles the Governor of New Mexico. Unfortunatley for me when they homesteaded in New Mexico they decided to pass as white. I would like to find my family in the nation. Per my father my grandmother received checks from the nation most of her life. I work for the Institute of American Indian Arts in Santa Fe NM
LEONARDPMILES@YAHOO.COM

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 14, 2013

there are a few choctaw tribes. location is a major factor in tribal affiliation. you don’t give children, dates or locations in your post but i will see if i can find a record.

i do not know what 1894 indian census you refer to.
http://www.archives.gov/research/census/native-americans/1885-1940.html
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/free-us-indian-census-rolls.htm
maybe you can find it on these links.

the choctaw tribe in oklahoma enrolled 1894-1906 in oklahoma/indian territory and the applicant’s names are on the dawes roll.

1910 United States Federal Census about John E Miles
Name: John E Miles
Age in 1910: 25
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1910: Johnson, Quay, New Mexico
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Susie C Miles
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John E Miles 25
Susie C Miles 18
Selma F Miles 0
[9/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Johnson, Quay, New Mexico; Roll: T624_916; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 0149; FHL microfilm: 1374929.

this record says susie was b. TX, parents b. TN. given that, it is doubtful that she enrolled in a tribe. you can look at TX tribes, but the natives that lived in TN generally were living off-reservation and would have had problems trying to submit evidence in a tribal enrollment.

findagrave.com
John Esten Miles
Birth: Jul. 28, 1884
Murfreesboro
Rutherford County
Tennessee, USA
Death: Oct. 7, 1971
New Mexico, USA

New Mexico Governor, US Congressman. He served first as the Governor of New Mexico from 1939 to 1943, then was elected to represent New Mexico in the United States House of Representatives, serving from 1949 to 1951. (bio by: K)

Family links:
Spouse:
Susie C. Wade Miles (1892 – 1978)*

*Calculated relationship

Burial:
Santa Fe Memorial Gardens
Santa Fe
Santa Fe County
New Mexico, USA

Susie C. Wade Miles
Birth: Mar. 9, 1892, USA
Death: Nov., 1978, USA

Family links:
Spouse:
John Esten Miles (1884 – 1971)

Burial:
Santa Fe Memorial Gardens
Santa Fe
Santa Fe County
New Mexico, USA

Tennessee, Delayed Birth Records, 1869-1909 about John Eston Miles
Name: John Eston Miles
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1884
Birth Place: Rutherford
Father: Monroe Miles
Mother: Fannie Howland

1900 United States Federal Census about Susie Wade
Name: Susie Wade
Age: 8
Birth Date: Feb 1892
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1900: Mangum, Greer, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: John P Wade
Father’s Birthplace: Texas
Mother’s Name: Nancy L Wade
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John P Wade 41
Nancy L Wade 39
John W Wade 13
Elbert W Wade 10
Susie Wade 8
Malcom Wade 4
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Mangum, Greer, Oklahoma; Roll: 1337; Page: 20B; Enumeration District: 0085; FHL microfilm: 1241337.
john wade and the children were b. TX but nancy was b. TN.

first step would be to see if the family was on the dawes roll.
there are no john wades on the dawes roll.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-tribe.htm

this might be nancy’s 1880 record.
1880 United States Federal Census about Nancy L. Reeves
Name: Nancy L. Reeves
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1880: Precinct 5, Collin, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Wily J. Reeves
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Name: Manda Reeves
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Neighbors: View others on page
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
Wily J. Reeves 40
Manda Reeves 40
Nancy L. Reeves 19
Elija Reeves 8
Cassa M. Reeves 6
Helener A. Reeves 3
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 5, Collin, Texas; Roll: 1296; Family History Film: 1255296; Page: 205D; Enumeration District: 025.

i do not see a record for susie wade on a native census, as you state.

maybe you found a record of a susan wade. this is a common name. did you match it with age and family?

looking at some family trees on ancestry.com,

Susie Carmen Wade
Birth 9 Mar 1892 in McKinney, Collin Co., Texas, USA
Death 6 Dec 1978 in Albuquerque, Bernalillo, New Mexico, USA

Family Members
Parents
John Preston Wade
1859 – 1937

Nancy Luizor Reeves
1861 – 1927

John Preston Wade
Birth 13 Feb 1859 in Hunt County, Texas, USA
Death 29 Dec 1937 in Brinkman, Greer County, Oklahoma

Nancy Luizor Reeves
Birth 1 Jan 1861 in Maury County, Tennessee, USA
Death 11 Sep 1927 in Brinkman, Greer County, Oklahoma

some of these family trees have pictures.

Amanda Fitzallen Johnson
Birth 24 Feb 1840 in Maury, Tennessee, USA
Death 9 Mar 1917 in Mangum, Greer County, Oklahoma

Wiley James “W J” Reeves
Birth 29 Nov 1839 in Columbia, Maury County, Tenessee
Death 13 Jun 1910 in Mangum, Greer County, Oklahoma

i am not seeing a connection to the choctaw tribe. your family might be choctaw but they might also be another tribe. and they might not be native, as far as the records go.

i see this webpage but i don’t know where it comes from, what sources were used. there are some questionable statements on the page, but maybe they have some documents or other proof.
http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC41BXY_nm-centennial-governors-12-john-e-miles?guid=ec0e88b1-6eda-4469-9f85-a57b6057f0e9

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes list applicants on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe
at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that
is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
access genealogy’s collection of information
if you are from another tribe, use the links at the right.
if you are from an associated tribe, see the several possible links on the webpage.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

http://www.archives.gov

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 14, 2013

let me explain. native records are limited. the natives had an oral tradition, they have no records. the records that were created were mostly registration records (such as the natives who registered when they went on the trail of tears in the late 1830s) or census records, created when natives got rations on the reservation in MS and AL. these are records created by the war department and kept at NARA, link in my previous post.

some natives chose not to live on reservations and be under the authority of the war department or tribe. these natives could live anywhere, but they mostly lived in the southeast. the choctaw were a southeastern tribe. they could have lived in TN but most of the natives up there were cherokee. natives that lived off-reservation were not creating native records because they were not taking rations on a reservation.

families that lived off-reservation also had difficulty establishing that they were natives and most could not enroll in a tribe because of this.

i am telling you that you might not find records to establish your family as affiliated with the choctaw tribe.

the choctaw tribe of oklahoma requires that you be related to an original enrollee of the tribe. people usually use the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma to see if their relatives were on the list. if you find a relation, then you look to see if they were enrolled in the tribe and have an enrollment #. it does not appear that your family applied for enrollment in any of the 5 major tribes of oklahoma. there are 63 tribes of oklahoma, so you should look at where your family lived 1900-1940 and then look for a nearby tribe.

you might look for local history books where your family lived in the 1800s, local historical newspapers. there might be marriage announcements or obituaries that give a tribal affiliation. use the federal census to find your relatives if they lived off-reservation. it is important to acquire cemetery records, death certificate, birth certificate, marriage documents where you can. if anyone was alive 1/1/1937, they would have filled out a social security application and submitted a birth record, such as a delayed birth certificate or birth certificate (ask for both when requesting this from state vital records). this social security application is available for deceased people with a SS-5 form.

state archives and state historical societies have some old records and may be able to tell you where to look.

some native families made the choice to not live under the tribal authority or the war department. the native records are not in good order because some were under a native name and some were under an english-sounding name. they are organized by reservation, rather than by surname.

natives that lived off-reservation by choice were not creating native records. this is the problem with your family. you should contact anyone who posts about your family on messageboards, location websites and tribe websites. rootsweb.com and genealogy.com have messageboards by tribe, location, surname. rootsweb.com also has websites for county genealogy and historical societies, county, tribe and surnames. you should use google to search for other possible matches. the proof of tribe will be difficult and might not exist.

http://500nations.com/Tennessee_Tribes.asp
http://www.native-languages.org/tennessee.htm
http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Indians_of_Tennessee
http://www.tncia.org/tn-fed-tribes.html

location is an important factor in tribal affiliation.
see the map on the native-languages.org link. find where your family was living. then look for the tribe.

it appears to me that both john miles and susie wade came from a cherokee area. you will have to look at census records 1800-1880. natives who lived on-reservation were on native census records but natives who lived off-reservation were on federal census records.

some tribes are still seeking recognition from either the state or federal government. you should contact any nearby tribe.

i know, you are mourning the loss of records. when i look for native records, i always wish there was more information, more indices, etc. accessgenealogy.com has transcribed indices to the records at NARA. if you see a relative on these records, this means there is an underlying record at NARA. some of the problem was that females were frequently not enumerated before the 1850s, both in federal census records and native records. we find females in probate, land records, bible records, church records, newspaper mentions, cemetery records, military pension records. but this, also, is woefully inadequate.

you can get access to local history books and historical newspapers through your local public library. local historical societies and state archives may have some of these. they may also have old vital records.

i am sorry that this is the case for natives who lived off-reservation. maybe someone has run across a native record in your family. i have not found such a record in oklahoma/indian territory.

suzanne hamlet shatto

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posted on December 15, 2013

here’s a few links that might be of help to you:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/ccfa.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw
http://www.tn.gov/tsla/history/misc/cherokee.htm
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g49023-Activities-Cherokee_North_Carolina.html
http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Indians_of_Tennessee

i do not think DNA tests will help you. tribes were associated bands of natives, with philosophy in common. sometimes people changed tribes. DNA may show that you are native but it will probably not be specific to a tribe. worse, when it comes to matches, you must try to match ancestors with other people and this is a challenge because both you and the match need to know a lot about your ancestry. i have a broad and deep family tree, but i am challenged to try to find common ancestors with my matches and many times i have to help others with their family trees so that we can find our common ancestors. some of my “brick walls” (where my knowledge stops about an ancestor) may contain the matching DNA. i have just tried to place people in branches of families based on the common matches with others. location has helped me.

http://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/exhibits/cherokee/
http://www.tnmuseum.org/custpage.cfm/frm/71064/sec_id/71064

http://archive.org/stream/tennesseecountyh31nich/tennesseecountyh31nich_djvu.txt
use the pdf format so that you can read and search.

http://tngenweb.org/grundy/old_queries/grun3-99.htm

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=grundy&surname=R

this was the tribe in grundy county: Chikamaka-Cherokee Band
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikamaka_Band
you should contact that tribe as soon as possible because they are trying to be recognized.
http://www.chikamakaband.com/COM/

suzanne hamlet shatto