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Reece Buck Reece Buck

posted on November 21, 2013 and updated on December 15, 2013

I have been doing some research on Ancestry.com about a relative I have named Rosy M Buck. The only info I have is her birth, which only states that she was born on Indian Territory in May of 1892. I have been told that her and that part of my family are Choctaw. I have looked at the Dawes Roll, and the only name that comes up is Rosa Buck. Her parents were Jacob R Buck and Maggie Manning. If anyone has any information of how I could get more reliable info on her please let me know.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 22, 2013

no dates, location, children or spouse in your post. these are common names.

there are possibilities but just that. there is not enough information in your post to narrow this down.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records.

if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than

less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the

married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in

time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and

marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed

away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file.

if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born

before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death

certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually

get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or

marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library

for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth.

military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you

where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records

up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they

were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes

enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local

public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian

territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census

card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are

located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes list applicants on

the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of

incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so

uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named

on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from

someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members

as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment

criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or

continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the

BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe,

and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their

membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional

or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian

Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who

can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat

insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th

century, listing the members of the tribe
at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from

someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the

percentage of your genetic make-up that
is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you

must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be

only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum

restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for

membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with

the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-

%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-

membership/

native removal process:
http://www.okgenweb.org/~itgenweb/itprojects/removals.htm

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for

the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and

ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and

military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their

month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can

google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is

available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
access genealogy’s collection of information
if you are from another tribe, use the links at the right.
if you are from an associated tribe, see the several possible links on the

webpage.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just

the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is

available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for

the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as

the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com

or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the

person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if

old, state historical society or state archives might have historical

newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name

at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or

cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state

historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical

society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed

birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social

security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be

under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your

relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census

was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and

native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two

databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by

NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many

times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2)

they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have

documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had

accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi

choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940

census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this

will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as

applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for

the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see

the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled,

then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the

enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was

enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society

website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the

testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital

records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to

that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and

agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the

card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census

records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native

marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this

list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the

record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has

testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?

id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this

webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available

through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma

historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books.

your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to

newspapers and local history books.

http://www.archives.gov

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the

oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940

for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local

public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy

advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX

office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has

archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for

several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB

card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually

enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed

the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any

benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY

BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help

you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560

(251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-

recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information

about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is

helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they

don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan

program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not.

but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see

also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal

census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the

book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this

post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your

heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw

tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family

had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes

roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will

help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that

your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a

head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal

enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL

choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there

are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the

authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record

packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely

rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe

applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized

Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a

different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a

contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on

postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny

postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best

matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me,

shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to

send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto