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LOTTIE ROTH

marilynr marilynr

posted on October 21, 2013 and updated on October 21, 2013

Lottie Roth was my great grandmother. She claimed to be one-half Choctaw. She was adopted by a non-Indian family and was raised by them. Their name was Roth. Lottie used several names throughout her life: Charlotte Reed, Charlotte Roth, for example. She was born in 1873 or so. She claimed to have been born in Missouri. There is a possibilty her birth name was Mary Conroy. We know nothing about her birth family, except that some relatives lived in Oklahoma. She was contacted by the BIA to register in the tribe sometime in the 1930’s. She declined. So someone in the BIA knew her identity at birth, even though she was married at the time they contacted her. She lived in Arkansas (Scott County) most of her adult life.

People in my family would like to know about our Choctaw heritage. Older generations of people in our family did not leave records for us. Any help would be appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 22, 2013

there is no information about spouse, children in this post. i don’t know which names she used at different times. roth and reed are common names.

there are many tribes in several states. you can look at some tribes to find when they enrolled original enrollees. the choctaw tribe of oklahoma enrolled in the 1896-1906 time period.

you should start with the census 1900-1940 and this will give you dates, locations,children, spouse information. from there, you can see where she was living and contact nearby tribes. the 1880 census might give you more information about approximate birthplace, birthdate.

do you have a death certificate, a cemetery record, an obituary? i start with the death and work backwards. if you don’t know these things, maybe you should try for her social security application. the social security administration started 1/1/1937 and people had to file a record to show proof of age. often, this was a delayed birth certificate filed with the state vital records where she was born. an SS-5 form would be filed to get a copy of a deceased’s social security application.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes list applicants on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe
at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that
is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

http://www.archives.gov

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

marilynr marilynr

posted on October 22, 2013

Thank you for all of the information. That will keep me busy.

marilynr marilynr

posted on December 28, 2013 and updated on December 28, 2013

I have hit a wall. Lottie is in the census from 1880 on. She uses an adopted last name of the non-Indian family that she grew up with (Roth). As a child, she was listed as a child of the Roths. She married James T. (“JT”) Reed about 1898. They lived in Scott County Ark. most of her life. The Roth family is not her connection to the Choctaw tribe, and we do not know her true family birth name. That is the problem. So I cannot connect her family to the Choctaw tribe, although she stated she was one-half, and my late grandmother reported that the BIA came to see Lottie during the 1930’s to register (she refused).

Since I do not know Lottie’s birth surname, I cannot find a birth certificate for her. She claimed to be born in Missouri on census records. The information given regarding parents in all of the census records was that of her adopted parents.

I have been contacted by a descendent of the Roth family who was familiar with Lottie’s name, but had no idea she had been adopted. He told me her name was Mary Charlotte.

I am stumped.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 28, 2013

you have additional problems, not just that problem. you need to understand what tribal membership, tribal affiliation, tribal heritage are. these are three different topics.

this post gives no information about date/place of death. this is where you have to start. please re-read my first response to you.

it appears to me that you are skipping the death information and trying to find the tribal information. this is rarely successful. you know that you have a birth name problem but i do not see that you have taken any steps to address that.

you need to set aside the tribal problem and go after regular documents that might show birthdate/birthplace/birth parents. this is absolutely necessary before you try to find tribal affiliation.

while you have census information, this will not help you with your birth name parent problem. the 1880 census must show lottie with the roth surname. i don’t know. is she living in MO or AR? i don’t know. was she informally adopted in MO or AR? i don’t know. was there a guardianship involved in a county court? i don’t know.

and your relative in the roth family indicates that her name was mary charlotte and not lottie. this is further confusion. however, lottie could be a nickname for charlotte. you give no names for her “adopted” parents, so i cannot find her in the 1880 census.

you are relying on an oral statement regarding the BIA. i don’t know that the BIA went out to people’s homes to enroll them in an oklahoma tribe, particularly when the person lived in another state. the choctaw tribe of oklahoma would have had no information about her because she wasn’t born on the reservation. there might be other tribes located near to where she was born and she might be associated to one of those.

tribal membership procedures included the requirement that the person document how they were affiliated with the tribe. natives that lived off-reservation had a more difficult time with this because they could not find documents that show that they were affiliated. this could be the case with your lottie roth. this could be why you don’t know which tribe to which she might be affiliated. such an adoption procedure as you are describing may have made it more difficult for lottie to accumulate heritage information.

the tribe does not have better information than you do. you should pursue the delayed birth certificate or birth certificate. if such a document was filed under the roth surname, you will have to accept this because i know of no document that will reveal different parents.

you can try the missouri state archives. they have some birth information. however, these are filed under surname and if you do not know her name/surname, then how are you going to be able to tell whether it is your relative? you can try the missouri state vital records, if she was alive after 1/1/1937, since people had to submit delayed birth certificates or birth certificates to show proof of age when social security went into effect. ask for both documents from vital records. also, get a copy of her social security application with a ss-5 form. include her date of death, submit a death certificate, and you should be able to get access. then you will see what she wrote about her parents, where she lived.

http://500nations.com/Missouri_Tribes.asp
http://www.native-languages.org/missouri.htm

the native documentation that is at NARA was accumulated on reservations by natives being on native census reports in the 1800s for the tribes. if her family did not live on the reservation in 1830, then they would not appear on native census records. many of these census records were generated when natives picked up rations on the reservation. as far as i know, there was no other effort made by the war department/federal government. enrollment in tribes occurred largely 1900-1940 and each tribe established membership procedures. many natives could not submit documentation regarding tribal heritage because they were not living on-reservation.

there are a few tribes that are still seeking federal or state recognition.

your problem will be that you don’t know her birth name and therefore her parents. so even if you find a tribe, you won’t be able to find any record of her because you don’t know her birth name.

this situation occurred in more than one instance, as adoptions were often informal and no legal papers were filed. such a circumstance has since changed, but as of the 1880s, this informal adoption was occurring. there were no ways to track informally adopted people because there were no documents at the courthouse. people did not have to show identification – it was sufficient to have been known by a name in your community. in 1929 congress passed a law requiring states/counties to issue birth documents and the implementation was gradual. then in 1937 social security went into effect. since many people did not have birth documents, delayed birth certificates were accepted. these documents were largely self-initiated and signed by two relatives.

on ancestry.com, family trees list this information:
Maria Charlotte Roth
Birth 09 Sep 1874 in Missouri
Death 05 Aug 1935 in Scott County, Arkansas

1880 United States Federal Census about Maria C. Roth
Name: Maria C. Roth
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1880: La Fayette, Scott, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Granddaughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Archibald Roth
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Name: Catherine Roth
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Roth 52
Catherine E. Roth 58
Sharitte Roth 75
Archibald Roth 25
Catherine Roth 23
Maria C. Roth 5
Celina Roth 2
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: La Fayette, Scott, Arkansas; Roll: 56; Family History Film: 1254056; Page: 421B; Enumeration District: 172; Image: 0527.

Arkansas Marriages, 1851-1900 about Lottie Roth
Name: J. T. Reed
Spouse: Lottie Roth
Marriage Date: 23 Jan 1898
County: Scott
State: AR

1900 United States Federal Census about Charlotte Reed
Name: Charlotte Reed
Age: 25
Birth Date: Sep 1874
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1900: Lafayette, Scott, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: James T Reed
Marriage Year: 1898
Years Married: 2
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother: number of living children: 1
Mother: How many children: 1
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James T Reed 28
Charlotte Reed 25
Simpson Reed 1

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Lafayette, Scott, Arkansas; Roll: 75; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 0108; FHL microfilm: 1240075.

so she was not living in indian territory/oklahoma permanently by 1900. this alone would have made her ineligible to be enrolled in one of the five major tribes in oklahoma. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma.

1910 United States Federal Census about Lollie Reed
Name: Lollie Reed
[Tellie Reed]
Age in 1910: 35
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: Coal, Scott, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: James T Reed
Father’s Birthplace: United States
[United States of America]
Mother’s Birthplace: United States
[United States of America]
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James T Reed 38
Lollie Reed 35
Simpson Reed 10
Archie Reed 9
Daisy Reed 7
Willie Reed 6
5
Odis Reed 4
Charles Reed 2
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Coal, Scott, Arkansas; Roll: T624_64; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 0120; FHL microfilm: 1374077.

920 United States Federal Census about Lottie Reed
Name: Lottie Reed
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1920: Heavener, Le Flore, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: James Reed
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Reed 48
Lottie Reed 44
Simpson Reed 21
Archie Reed 19
Daisey Reed 18
William Reed 16
Odus Reed 14
Charley Reed 12
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Heavener, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1468; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 104; Image: 292.
all of the children were b. AR.
james reed was a farmer and they rented a farm. this means they did not receive an allotment in a tribe.

1930 United States Federal Census about Lottie Reed
Name: Lottie Reed
[Lattie Reed]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Missouri
Race: White
Home in 1930: Coal, Scott, Arkansas
Map of Home: View map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: James T Reed
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James T Reed 58
Lottie Reed 54
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Coal, Scott, Arkansas; Roll: 90; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 0008; Image: 383.0; FHL microfilm: 2339825.

Arkansas Death Index, 1914-1950 about Lottie Reed
Name: Lottie Reed
Death Day: 5
Death Month: Aug
Death Year: 1935
County: Sebastian
Roll Number: 19341940
Page Number: 2870

1940 United States Federal Census about J T Reed
Name: J T Reed
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Arkansas
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Father
Home in 1940: Fort Smith, Sebastian, Arkansas
Map of Home in 1940: View map
Street: So"S"
House Number: 1625
Inferred Residence in 1935: Fort Smith, Sebastian, Arkansas
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Sheet Number: 9A
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: Farm
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 4th grade
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Arch Reed 39
Beulah Reed 35
Arnold Reed 16
Gerald Reed 10
J T Reed 68
Source Citation: Year: 1940; Census Place: Fort Smith, Sebastian, Arkansas; Roll: T627_175; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 66-48.

maybe this is your relative:
California, Death Index, 1940-1997 about James T Reed
Name: James T Reed
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 7 Dec 1871
Birth Place: Texas
Death Date: 21 Jan 1945
Death Place: San Bernardino
Father’s Surname: Reed

arch reed was buried here:
Arch Reed
Birth: Jul. 6, 1900
Death: Aug., 1977

Arch Reed
SSN: 432-10-5261
Last Residence: 72904 Fort Smith, Sebastian, Arkansas, United States of America
Born: 6 Jul 1900
Died: Aug 1977
State (Year) SSN issued: Arkansas (Before 1951)ssdi

Family links:
Spouse:
Beulah V Reed (1904 – 1988)*

Children: Gary Don Reed (1944 – 2012)*

*Calculated relationship

Burial:
Woodlawn Memorial Park
Fort Smith
Sebastian County
Arkansas, USA
findagrave.com

but i don’t see his father or his mother buried there.
maybe you should try for an obituary for both of them. certainly death certificates. then look for a cemetery record and contact the cemetery to see if there is more information.
findagrave.com or interment.net or maybe rootsweb cemetery webproject or rootsweb state/county.
obituary through the local public library/interlibrary loan program.
you can contact your local genealogical society and see if they have any advice for you. most states have state genealogical societies and most counties have a county genealogical society.

in my family, i have one branch that is likely some percentage of native. however this one ancestor was rumored to be illegitimate and i do not have his parents’ information. i know his mother was named mary and it is likely her maiden name was mary walker and that she probably did not marry. my relative passed away and his death certificate indicates a father’s name that is not found in records. so i am stuck on that line also. while i match DNA with some people, i cannot come up with the genealogical history that would help me find his parents. i can see a DNA match with people who have some native connection, and we have identified a likely source of native heritage, but we lack the connection because my relative’s parents are not known.

so this also occurred in our family.

i am sorry that this is not what you hoped to hear.

suzanne hamlet shatto