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Calvin Webb Calvin Webb

posted on October 16, 2013

I am searching for information on my GG Grandparents. David Webb, born approx. (loc unknown) 1833 married Alice Cox (born 1855 in Choctaw Nation, Arkansas). I have not been able to come up with any good info on either of them. Alice’s Mother Rachel Walker Harmon was registered as a Cherokee and David registered as Choctaw by marriage so I would guess her Father was Choctaw. If anyone has any info on these two please pass it my way.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 16, 2013

you can see if they applied through the dawes process. since your post gives common names but no children, i don’t know what i will find. if natives lived off-reservation, they were on federal census records but if they lived on-reservation, they are in the native census records.

tribal enrollment was mostly in the period 1900-1940 in different locations. reservations were in different states, so it depends where your ancestors were living 1900-1940 to check for enrollments. location is an important factor because natives had to be living under the authority of the tribe.

David Webb
Birth 1833 in Tennessee
Death

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 about David Webb
Name: David Webb
Date of Birth: abt 1820
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Tribe: Choctaw
Agency: Union
Last Census Number: 471
Previous Census Number: 10
Census Date: 1885
Neighbors: View others on page

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 about Alice Webb
Name: Alice Webb
Date of Birth: abt 1869
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Tribe: Choctaw
Agency: Union
Last Census Number: 472
Previous Census Number: 11
Census Date: 1885
Neighbors: View others on page

this is the 1885 census, native records.

Alice V Cox 1855 – 1930 Mack Durant Webb 1871 – 1947 Rachel Susie Webb 1877 – 1959

1900 United States Federal Census about Alice Morgan
Name: Alice Morgan
Age: 44
Birth Date: Oct 1855
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 4, Menard, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Raffries Morgan
Marriage Year: 1884
Years Married: 16
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother: number of living children: 2
Mother: How many children: 2
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Raffries Morgan 44
Alice Morgan 44
Mac D Webb 25
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 4, Menard, Texas; Roll: 1657; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 0063; FHL microfilm: 1241657.

is this your alice and mac? if so, they were not living in oklahoma by 1900, a requirement for membership in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma.

1870 United States Federal Census about Allice Webb
Name: Allice Webb
Age in 1870: 18
Birth Year: abt 1852
Birthplace: Choetaw-nation
Home in 1870: Beat 5, Bell, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Belton
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
David Webb 37
Allice Webb 18
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Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Beat 5, Bell, Texas; Roll: M593_1575; Page: 116B; Image: 236; Family History Library Film: 553074.

if she was living in texas, the trail of tears did not go through texas in the late 1830s, but there were many unofficial migrations from the southeastern reservations to/through texas.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes list applicants on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe
at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that
is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

http://www.archives.gov

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on October 17, 2013

There are many David Webb/ Alice Webb families listed on ancestry.com and many Family Trees with the same names but with conflicting birth dates and places of birth, marriage, etc. I have seen David Webb born in Tennessee, Texas, Arkansas, and Wisconsin- listed with the same wife and kids. I also have my doubts that the David Webb/ Alice Webb, citizens of the Choctaw Nation (David by marriage) are your ancestors either. That family was on the 1885 Choctaw Nation Census, Tobusky County- with David, age 65 (born 1820) and Alice, age 16 (born 1869) Your David was born in 1833 and Alice in 1852. Those are the dates I most agree with, given my research.Let me explain.
My starting point was the 1870 Census: Beat 5, Bell, Texas. John Cox/Rachel Cox, David Webb/Alice Webb families all lived there a few houses apart from each other.
David was 37 years old, born in Wisconsin in 1853. Alice was 18 years old, born in the Indian Nations, Arkansas, in 1852. I know the census says " born in Choctaw Nation" but my research says otherwise. The Indian Territory was part of the Arkansas Territory in the 1850-1860 era, under the jurisdiction of Fort Smith, Arkansas. After the Civil War, the Indian Nations became more defined as to geographical boundaries, especially the “Five Civilized Tribes”.
Here are the tidbits I have uncovered:
ANCESTRY.COM FAMILY TREE OF BENNETT/FOSTER/HOWARD/PRATHER =
Alice V. Cox, born 1852 Arkansas, died after 1930 Texas. // her Father was John Cox, born 9-21-1830, died 1-7-1914 Junction City, Kimble County, Texas (This info from his tombstone, Junction Cemetery, Kimble Co, TX)
her Mother was Rachel (Walker) Harmon, born 8-27-1931 Alabama, died 4/2/1909 Junction City, Kimble Co, Texas. (Info also from tombstone, a picture of same is in that post)
Spouse of Alice Cox was David Webb, born 1833 Wisconsin, died 1883 in Texas. // Their kids were 1)Mack Durant Webb, born 12-14-1873 Burnet, Burnet, Texas and died 2-11-1947 Menard, Menard, Texas. 2) Rachel Susie Webb, born 10-23-1877 Texas and died 3-2-1959 San Angelo, Tom Greene Co, Texas.
NOTE: According to the 1900 Census, Justice, Precinct 4, Menard, Texas = Alice Morgan,(with new husband Rufus Calaway Morgan)
was age 44, married to him in 1884 (next year after David Webb died) and had two children living, one named Mac D. Webb, age 25, still living with her.
Alice Morgan also found on 1910 Census, Justice, Precinct 2, Concho, Texas// 1920 Census Eastland, Eastland, Texas // 1930 Census, Precinct 2, Wilbarger, Texas.

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on October 17, 2013 and updated on October 17, 2013

DAWES ENROLLMENT, CHEROKEE BY BLOOD, CARD # 7588
LOCUST GRAVEL, CHEROKEE NATION, INDIAN TERRITORY
SALINE DISTRICT, YEAR 1901, RACHEL WALKER

Roll # 17917 Walker, Rachel, age 70, female,
Full Blood
Father: Jim Lighteningbug (dead) Full Blood
Mother: Ahnewaka Lighteningbug (dead) Full Blood
Date of Application: 11-5-1901
Citizenship Certificate issued: 12-2-1904

OTHER INFORMATION GIVEN IN TESTIMONY =

Application given by her brother, Black Fox, full blood Cherokee, age 61. He states that Rachel “came from” (was born in) the old Cherokee Nation (Alabama)

Rachel had another husband before the Civil War, named Walker Snell, a full blood Cherokee, who was killed during the War.

Rachel Walker was also known as Jennie Walker
(on 1896 Census) having been given the Christian name of “Agin”

Rachel Walker on 1880 Cherokee Census, Saline District, on page 676, #1280

Rachel Walker had one grown child named “Alie”

NOTES (NOT ON CARD 7588)=
FROM fold3.com
Civil War, Union Army Service Records-
Walker Snell, private, Company H, 3rd Indian Home Guards, Kansas Infantry. ( Some Cherokee bands of Indians went north to Kansas to seek protection with Union Troops there, since the majority of Indians in Indian Territory allied themselves with the South or CSA.)

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on October 17, 2013

DAWE FAMILY PACKET, CHEROKEE BY BLOOD, CARD # 7588, PAGE 3, RACHEL WALKER

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
COMMISSION TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES
TAHLEQUAH, INDIAN TERRITORY. NOVEMBER 5, 1901

In the matter of the application of Black Fox for the enrollment of his sister Rachel Walker as a Cherokee by Blood; he being sworn by the Commission, testified as follows: ( Simon R. Walkingstick, interpreter)

Q) What is your name? A) Black Fox
Q) What is your age? A) 61
Q) What is your post office address?
A) Locust Grove
Q) Do you apply for enrollment as a Cherokee by Blood? A) I don’t desire to apply for myself, but for my sister. I have been enrolled.
Q) What is the name of your sister?
A) Rachel Walker
Q) How old is she? A) About 70
Q) What is her post office address?
A) Same place
Q) Why does she not appear in person and make application in her own behalf?
A) She is very old and infirm, and not able to get about much, and her eyesight is not good.
Q) Is she confined to her room?
A) Not all together, but she just goes about the place.
Q) Does she ever leave the place for any purpose? A) About the only place where she goes is to her daughter’s, who lives about five miles away from here, and then she stays there awhile.
Q) Is she too old and infirm to attend to her own business? A) Yes Sir
Q) Is she a Cherokee by Blood? A) Yes Sir
Q) Is she a full blood? A) Yes Sir
Q) Is she living at this time? A) Yes Sir
Q) Has she always lived in the Cherokee Nation? A) Yes Sir, in the Cherokee Nation all her life. She came from the old Cherokee Nation here.
Q) Is she living here at the present time?
A) Yes Sir
Q) What was the name of her father?
A) Jim Lighteningbug
Q) What is the name of her mother?
A) Ahnewaka Lighteningbug
Q) Her parents were both Cherokees by Blood, were they? A) Yes Sir
Q) Are they both dead? A) Yes Sir
Q) Has Rachel Walker ever been married ?
A) Yes Sir, she was married once, but her husband died during the war.
Q) What was his name? A) Walker Snell
Q) And he died during the war? A) Yes Sir
Q) Did she ever remarry after his death?
A) No Sir
Q) Was he a Cherokee? A) Yes Sir, full blood
Q) What was her name in 1880? A) Rachel Walker
Q) What was her name in 1896? A) The same
Q) What District was she living in, in 1880?
A) Saline
Q) Was she living there in 1896? A) Yes Sir
Q) Did she ever have any children?
A) Yes Sir, she had one, but she is grown.
Q) What is the name of her child? A) Alie
Q) Is this child living? A) Yes Sir
Note: “The 1880 Roll examined and the name of Rachel Walker found thereon at page 676, No. 1280, in Saline District.”
Q) With whom was Rachel Walker living five years ago? A) With Lewis Wickliffe then.
Q) Did this Rachel Walker draw money in 1894?
A) Yes Sir
Q) When was Rachel Walker’s daughter Alie married? A) I don’t know exactly, perhaps 15 years ago.
Q) Did your sister Rachel Walker go by any other name besides Rachel?
A) No Sir, that is the only name she had.
Q) She never had any other Christian name?
A) No Sir, “Agin” is her Indian Christian name.
Q) Did she ever go by the name of Jennie?
A) Yes Sir, she has been called that sometimes.
Q) Does she want to be enrolled as Rachel or Jennie?
A) Rachel
Q) That is her correct name? A) Yes Sir
Q) But she is sometimes known as Jennie?
A) Yes Sir
Note: " The 1896 Census Roll examined and on page 1028, No. 1417, is found the name of Jennie Walker in Saline District."

NOTE ( not on Card 7588)
CIVIL WAR PENSION INDEX FOR JOHN COX;
Applied 10-14-1901 File # 08747
Served in Tom Lewis’ Company, Carroll’s Regiment, CSA, Company B. Service for 1 year

The Arkansas 3rd Regiment Cavalry, AKA “Sebastian County Cavalry” was formed May 7, 1861 in Fort Smith, Arkansas. It rode to Camp Walker, Harmony Springs, Benton County, Arkansas where Colonel DeRosey Carroll renamed it “Company B, 1st Cavalry, Arkansas Militia State Troops” on May 29, 1861. After
losses in battle, the Regiment was dissolved and became part of the 51st Regiment of Arkansas Volunteers.

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posted on October 17, 2013

1910 United States Federal Census about Alice Morgan
Name: Alice Morgan
Age in 1910: 54
Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 2, Concho, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Ruffus C Morgan

Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama

Household Members:
Name Age
Ruffus A Carr 43
Thomas Carr 15
Ider Carr 13
Willie Carr 11
Clara Carr 8
Lidia Carr 5
Ruffus C Morgan 54
Alice Morgan 54

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posted on October 17, 2013

1920 United States Federal Census about A V Morgan
Name: A V Morgan
Age: 64
Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1920: Eastland, Eastland, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: R C Morgan
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

Household Members:
Name Age
R C Morgan 64
A V Morgan 64
M D Webb 48

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posted on October 17, 2013

1930 United States Federal Census about Alice W Morgan
Name: Alice W Morgan
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Arkansas
Race: White
Home in 1930: Precinct 2, Wilbarger, Texas
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Grandmother

Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama

Household Members:
Name Age
Henry G Bryan 30
Mandie F Bryan 22
Velma L Bryan 6
Alma V Bryan 5
Emma N Bryan 4
[4 10/12]
Susie A Bryan 1
[1 6/12]
Marie F Bryan 59
Mary L Sullivan 80
Alice W Morgan 74

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posted on October 17, 2013

1870 United States Federal Census about John Cox
Name: John Cox
Age in 1870: 37
Birth Year: abt 1833
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1870: Beat 5, Bell, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Belton

Household Members:
Name Age
John Cox 37
Rachel Cox 36
Sarah Cox 16
Tennessee Cox 13
Mary Cox 10
Henrietta Cox 3
Wm Shears 7

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posted on October 21, 2013

Thank You for all this info, some of it I have seen before but some is new.