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deemel135 deemel135

posted on September 25, 2013 and updated on September 25, 2013

I am trying to find information on my maternal great-great-great grandmother, Agnes Jones (b. circa 1856 in Mississippi). She was married to a Morgan Jones, and had one daughter, Fannie (on some census records, misspelled as Finnie). They resided in Jackson, MS. Morgan was listed as a baker on the 1880 census.
My maternal grandmother, who was also named Fannie, told me that we were of Choctaw ancestry. She also told me that her grandmother gave her the name Eagle Heart. I have reason to believe that the connection is through Agnes, based on her description.
I don’t know Agnes’ maiden name, so I can’t go back any further. Any information on Agnes, or Morgan for that matter, would be ever so helpful.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 25, 2013

these are common names, so you need more information, such as location, dates.

if she was b. MS in 1856, her family did not go on the trail of tears in the late 1830s. if she is choctaw, she was probably called mississippi choctaw.

if she was living on-reservation 1800-1900 or so, she would be on native census records, kept by the war department and now at NARA. if she was living off-reservation, she would be on federal census records.

the mississippi choctaw tribe enrolled about 1930-1940. one of your ancestors might have applied for enrollment with that tribe, so you should check with them about the names of the people alive 1930 or so.

she might be MOWA or another tribe also, so look at nearby tribes. location is a big factor for tribal affiliation because natives lived under the authority of the tribe. tribes were associated bands of natives.

i start with the death and go backwards in time. cemetery – maybe findagrave.com or interment.net have a memorial page, then contact the cemetery to see if there is more information. obituary – through your local public library/interlibrary loan program. state historical societies and state archives often have historical newspapers. death certificate – through state vital records.

1880 United States Federal Census about Agnes Jones
Name: Agnes Jones
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1880: Jackson, Hinds, Mississippi
Race: Mulatto
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Morgan Jones
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Virginia
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeping House
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
Morgan Jones 30
Agnes Jones 24
Finnie Jones 9
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Jackson, Hinds, Mississippi; Roll: 648; Family History Film: 1254648; Page: 54C; Enumeration District: 003; Image: 0476.
you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

1880 United States Federal Census about Morgan Jones
Name: Morgan Jones
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1880: Jackson, Hinds, Mississippi
Race: Mulatto
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Agnes Jones
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Baker

do you have a birth certificate for fannie? if she was alive 1/1/1937, she might have applied for social security and submitted a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate to show proof of age. if you request this birth certificate/delayed birth certificate from state vital records, ask for both documents.

i think that agnes might have been known by another name also. so a birth record, death certificate or another document would be very helpful.

i don’t know if either person was a slave. in that case, there may not be records earlier than 1870. mixed race people did have difficulty proving heritage for tribal enrollment.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes list applicants on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe
at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that
is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

http://www.archives.gov

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on September 25, 2013

The 1880 Census says the members of this family were “mulatto” meaning they were of african american and native american Indian heritage. Morgan Jones was 15 years old when the Civil War ended so he was not a soldier. His father though may have fought in the Civil War. The Indian bloodline was undoubtedly Mississippi Choctaw but it seems Agnes and her only child Fannie, who married a Moore, chose not to enroll with the Choctaw Nation in Oklahoma nor with the Mississippi Choctaw Tribe. Instead, they moved to St. Louis, Ward 22, St. Louis County, Missouri (1900 Census, 1910 census) after the death of
Morgan. If the father of Morgan Jones was a slave in Mississippi, his last name usually comes from the slaveowner family name. In this case, Jones. Sometimes the first name also comes from there. Here are two long shots I found while researching: 1870 Census, District 3, Yazoo County, Mississippi = Morgan Jones (black) age 18 // 1860 Census,
Slave Schedules, District 2, McNairy County, Tennessee = Morgan Jones, plantation slave owner with 10 enumerated slaves, one of which is a male boy, age 5. NOTE: McNairy County is on the border with Mississippi.

deemel135 deemel135

posted on September 26, 2013

Thank you, Suzanne & Rayson for your helpful responses! I’m going to go to the historical research library in my city to see if I can go back further.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 26, 2013

mulatto often means mixed race, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
it can be caucasian/black or native/black. any combination, but black is one of the races. natives of mixed caucasian and native race were referred to as native/indian.

marriages between natives and black people were encouraged on the reservation, according to several agent reports. the theory was that the “negative” (to the government) characteristics were mitigated by the other race. apparently many people believed (1800-mid 1900s) that genetics was responsible for behavior that they wanted to discourage.

sometimes, with slaves of different races serving one master, marriages and families were encouraged also. proximity ruled there, since slaves were rarely encouraged to spend time off of the farm/plantation.

a local genealogy society can help you find resources.
state vital records, state archives, state historical societies can refer you to more specific resources or find resources that is accessible to them.
look for local history books, local newspapers there.
your local public library can sometimes get access to these through interlibrary loan.

i start with the death and work backwards in time.

history has a great deal to do with the choices that people made.

suzanne hamlet shatto

deemel135 deemel135

posted on October 9, 2013

I was able to find that Morgan Jones and Agnes Engleherd (sp?) were married in 11/18/1879, I’m happy that I’ve finally solved the mystery of her maiden name, but where do I go from here? I think Agnes’s father was German. Any help/leads would be greatly appreciated!

Name: Morgan Jones
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse’s Name: Agnes Engleherd
Spouse’s Birth Date:
Spouse’s Birthplace:
Spouse’s Age:
Event Date: 18 Nov 1879
Event Place: Hinds,Mississippi
Father’s Name:
Mother’s Name:
Spouse’s Father’s Name:
Spouse’s Mother’s Name:
Race (Original):
Marital Status:
Previous Wife’s Name:
Spouse’s Race (Original):
Spouse’s Marital Status:
Spouse’s Previous Husband’s Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51690-3
System Origin: Mississippi-ODM
GS Film number: 885191
Reference ID:

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 10, 2013

what do you mean “where do you go from here?” what is your goal?
do you have census reports for every year from birth to death?

do you have her death certificate and marriage license and delayed birth certificate?

do you have her obituary and her husband’s obituary?

deemel135 deemel135

posted on October 10, 2013

As I stated in my initial post, my goal is to trace my Native American Choctaw (if what i was told as a child was true) ancestry back to my great great grandmother Agnes Jones (nee Englehart).

No, I have not acquired those documents as of yet, because I have only discovered her maiden name yesterday!

No, I do not have every census report from birth to death.
I updated this thread with my most recent discovery, with the hopes that someone would maybe have a similar surname within
their tree, or a lead to go back further in Agnes’ records.

Nonetheless, I am truly appreciative of the suggestions that both Rayson and yourself have thus provided. I will always receptive of new ways to obtain knowledge.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 10, 2013

if your family did not enroll with a tribe, it will be difficult to find documentation.

the family may have received a choctaw scrip land grant for tribal termination, but if your family were slaves, then they probably didn’t. you will have to go back one or two more generations and check the land grants to the head of household 1830-1900. ancestry.com has a database called mississippi land records that contains these records and homestead records (where the person purchased the land from the government). so look at the citation for any land records that you find.

native records were census records and databases and rolls, but these were taken by enumerating the natives who live on reservations. if the native was not living on a reservation, they wouldn’t be in the native records.

the fact that your relative was on the 1880 census indicates he and his family were living off-reservation.

if you don’t have many records for morgan jones, look at the records for the children and see if you can see clues. jones is a very common name.

i am familiar with the challenge with finding records for people who were mixed race. since your surname is common, you will have to get vital records. an obituary might be an excellent resource and usually you can get a copy of this through your local public library/interlibrary loan program. state archives and state historical societies often have historical newspapers and local history books and some of these can be accessed free through your local public library/interlibrary loan program.

i don’t know when/where morgan jones passed away. if he was alive 1/1/1937, he would have filed a delayed birth certificate with state vital records in order to show proof of age to social security.

if this is agnes, it appears morgan jones had passed away.
if agnes lived after 1/1/1937, there might be some information about when/where he passed away in her social security application.

1900 United States Federal Census about Agnes Jones
Name: Agnes Jones
Age: 42
Birth Date: Jun 1857
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1900: St Louis Ward 22, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Mother in Law
[Mother-in-law]
Marital Status: Widowed
Mother: number of living children: 1
Mother: How many children: 1
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Allen Moore 32
Fannie Moore 26
Allen Moore 11
Ruth Moore 6
Moses E Moore 1
Agnes Jones 42
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: St Louis Ward 22, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri; Roll: 898; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 0331; FHL microfilm: 1240898.

1910 United States Federal Census about Agnes Jones
Name: Agnes Jones
Age in 1910: 51
Birth Year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1910: St Louis Ward 22, Saint Louis City, Missouri
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Marital Status: Widowed
Father’s Birthplace: Germany
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Allen Moore 41
Fannie Moore 38
Allen Moore 21
Moses Moore 11
Worth Moore 7
Leon Moore 3
Ruth Moore 16
Irma Moore 9
Agnes Jones 51
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: St Louis Ward 22, Saint Louis City, Missouri; Roll: T624_821; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 0348; FHL microfilm: 1374834.

1920 United States Federal Census about Leon Moore
Name: Leon Moore
Age: 13
Birth Year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1920: St Louis Ward 23, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Race: Mulatto
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Allen Moore
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Name: Fannie Moore
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Allen Moore 50
Fannie Moore 45
Allen E Moore 31
Moses E Moore 20
Worth C Moore 17
Leon Moore 13
Irma Moore 18
Melva Moore 6
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: St Louis Ward 23, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri; Roll: T625_959; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 458; Image: 1071.

agnes was not here in 1920, so she might have passed away.
http://www.stlgs.org/
they may be able to help you acquire records about agnes, which might lead you to morgan jones.

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