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Angela Angela

posted on September 25, 2013

I have been searching info on my 2x great grandmother her name was Menecia America Ivy, her father was Andrew Jackson Ivy and her mother was Jane Harmon. Menecia was 1/2 Choctaw I have no idea which of her parents were full blooded Choctaw.I have info on Andrew’s parents but no info at all on Jane, other when her and Andrew got married which is October 12, 1837 in Sumter County,AL. Menecia was born on January 31, 1840 in Clark County,Mississippi.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 25, 2013

andrew jackson ivy m. 12 oct 1837 sumter,AL jane harmon
menecia ivy b. 31 jan 1840 clark, MS

no spouse listed for menecia. women usually have maiden names for only about 20 years, so it becomes difficult to find them in records. no date or place of death for anyone of the people.

if menecia ivy was b. in 1840 in MS, then her family probably didn’t go on the trail of tears to oklahoma.

have any of your direct ancestors applied for enrollment in a tribe 1900-1940? an enrollment means that original enrollees submitted sufficient evidence that they met tribal requirements of residence, blood quantum.

you are asking about a very early time for native records. if a native lived on a reservation, they are found on native census records, native databases and rolls. if they were not living on reservation, then they are found on federal census records.

accessgenealogy.com has transcribed indices of native census records, native databases and rolls.

i am not finding someone with a first name that begins with “men” and a surname of ivy/ivey who is in MS in 1850.

on ancestry.com family trees, there is one tree listed. no documents.

Menecia America Ivy
Birth January 30, 1840 in Choctow Co. Ala.
Death March 6, 1922

Family Members
Parents

Andrew Jackson Ivy 1815 – Jane Harmon

spouse:
Silas Monk Carter
1842 – 1933

Mary Elizabeth Carter 1877 – 1964

have you written to the person who posted this family tree and asked them about documents?

Silas Monk Carter
Birth December 19, 1842 in Mississippi, USA
Death July 2, 1933

location is very important when looking for native records. and the family tree doesn’t list documents. no documents listed in your post.

1880 United States Federal Census about Silas Carter
Name: Silas Carter
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1880: Beat 2, Newton, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Nusy Carter
Father’s Name: Wm. Carter
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
Silas Carter 34
Nusy Carter 38
Sarah Carter 14
Evaline Carter 11
Martha J. Carter 8
Alice Carter 5
Carter 3
Fannie Carter 1m
Wm. Carter 68
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Beat 2, Newton, Mississippi; Roll: 659; Family History Film: 1254659; Page: 580C; Enumeration District: 086; Image: 0300.

Mississippi Marriages, 1776-1935 about S. M. Carter
Name: S. M. Carter
Spouse: Nancy Ivey
Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1866
County: Clarke

1910 United States Federal Census about Silas M Carter
Name: Silas M Carter
Age in 1910: 67
Birth Year: abt 1843
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1910: Desdemona, Eastland, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Minelia A Carter
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Silas M Carter 67
Minelia A Carter 69
Silas E Carter 20
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Desdemona, Eastland, Texas; Roll: T624_1547; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 0051; FHL microfilm: 1375560.

this confederate pension record is available from NARA or online on ancestry.com.

U.S., Confederate Pensions, 1884-1958 about S M Carter
Name: S M Carter
Application Date: 6 Jul 1922
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birth Place: Randolph, Georgia
Age: 80
Pension File Number: 38364
Application Type: Veteran

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000 about Silas M. Carter
Name: Silas M. Carter
Death Date: 2 Jul 1933
Death County: Travis
Certificate: 34690

picture on findagrave.com
Birth: Dec. 19, 1846
Randolph County
Alabama, USA
Death: Jul., 1933
Austin
Travis County
Texas, USA

Silas Monk Carter was born December 19, 1846 in Alabama to William J. Carter and Martha Skinner Carter. He was the fifth child of eight to this family. Perhaps he was born in Randolph County, Alabama as his father is in Randolph County in 1840 and Talledega County in 1850.
Silas served in the Confederate Army, Company F, 8th Alabama Cavalry, Forrest’s Brigade, Army of Tennessee, from 11 August 1863 until the surrender at the end of the war in 1865. The command he served in was organized in Mississippi and he reached the rank of High Private.
Silas and Manecia America Ivy were married on October 20, 1865, at Clark Co., Alabama. They moved to Texas in late 1883 or 1884. They first went to Hill and Kaufman Counties. In November of 1900 they bought land in what was then named Thurber Station, in Palo Pinto County and remained there until December of 1902 when they sold their property which included 4 acres of land and 5 horses and mules. They moved to Eastland County and bought property in Mangum. Soon after his wife’s death in March of 1922, Silas moved into the “Confederate Home for Men” in Austin, Texas. He lived there until his death in July 1933. Silas Monk Carter is buried in the Eastland Cemetery. (Bio courtesy of Holly Homan). Silas and Manecia’s children were Sarah, J.L., Francis, Martha Jane, Alice, Mary Elizabeth, Lucy, Benjamin F., Annie M., and Silas E. Carter. Silas and Manecia’s daughter, Mary Elizabeth and her husband, Rev. J.R. Slaughter, are interred beside them at the Eastland Cemetery.

Family links:
Spouse:
Manecia America Ivy Carter (1840 – 1922)

Children: Alice Caldonia Carter Holder (1875 – 1957)* Mary Elizabeth Carter Slaughter (1877 – 1963)* George Franklin Carter (1883 – 1960)* Annie Manecia Carter Roberts (1886 – 1926)* Silas E. Carter (1889 – 1969)*

*Calculated relationship

Burial:
Eastland City Cemetery
Eastland
Eastland County
Texas, USA

picture of menecia also.
Birth: Jan. 30, 1840
Choctaw County
Alabama, USA
Death: Mar. 6, 1922
Mangum
Eastland County
Texas, USA

Manecia America Ivy was the wife of Silas Monk Carter whom she married Oct 20, 1865, at Clark Co., Alabama.
Note: Some sources spell her name “Menicia”; however, the gravestone is engraved “Menecia”. Obviously this grand lady is no longer available to enlighten us with the correct spelling; so for consistancy, the spelling “Menecia” which agrees with the gravestone, is chosen.

Family links:
Spouse:
Silas Monk Carter (1846 – 1933)*

Children: Alice Caldonia Carter Holder (1875 – 1957)* Mary Elizabeth Carter Slaughter (1877 – 1963)* George Franklin Carter (1883 – 1960)* Annie Manecia Carter Roberts (1886 – 1926)* Silas E. Carter (1889 – 1969)*

*Calculated relationship

Burial:
Eastland City Cemetery
Eastland
Eastland County
Texas, USA
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21834207

many of the records that others have chosen do not appear to be menecia.

maybe this is her family:

1850 United States Federal Census about Mary A Ivey
Name: Mary A Ivey
Age: 8
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1850: Choctaw, Alabama
Gender: Female
Family Number: 524
Household Members:
Name Age
C J Ivey 37
Elisabeth Ivey 35
R A Ivey 11
Nancy J Ivey 9
Mary A Ivey 8
Stephen C Ivey 6
Cinthia E Ivey 5
Geo W Ivey 3
Margaret M Ivey 0
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: , Choctaw, Alabama; Roll: M432_3; Page: 186A; Image: 374.

1900 United States Federal Census about Manecia A Carter
Name: Manecia A Carter
Age: 57
Birth Date: Jan 1843
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 3, Palo Pinto, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Silas M Carter
Marriage Year: 1865
Years Married: 35
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother: number of living children: 8
Mother: How many children: 10
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Silas M Carter 53
Manecia A Carter 57
Franklin Carter 16
Annie M Carter 14
Silas M Carter 11
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 3, Palo Pinto, Texas; Roll: 1663; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 0121; FHL microfilm: 1241663.

since she can be found in federal census records during the 1800s, it appears that the family was not living on a reservation. this would make documentation difficult to come by.

Alabama, Marriage Collection, 1800-1969 about Andrew J Ivy
Name: Andrew J Ivy
Spouse: Jane Harman
Marriage Date: 9 Oct 1837
County: Sumter
State: Alabama
Source information: Hunting For Bears

ancestry.com has this database online.
usually it means there is a record with the county vital records office.

this is a homestead record. i am trying to find a choctaw scrip land record,which is in the same database (MS and AL land records on ancestry.com)

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907 about Andrew J Ivy
Name: Andrew J Ivy
Issue Date: 24 Feb 1900
Acres: 119.52
Meridian: Huntsville
State: Alabama
County: Dekalb, Jackson
Township: 4-S
Range: 8-E
Section: 26
Accession Number: AL4940__.385
Metes and Bounds: No
Land Office: Huntsville
Canceled: No
US Reservations: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Authority: May 20, 1862: Homestead EntryOriginal (12 Stat. 392)
Document Number: 12121

1860 United States Federal Census about A J Ivey
Name: A J Ivey
Age in 1860: 50
Birth Year: abt 1810
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1860: Jasper, Mississippi
Gender: Male
Post Office: Turnersville
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
A J Ivey 50
Jane Ivey 48
L W Ivey 22
Cynthea Ivey 19
Lusia Ivey 18
Selethia Ivey 16
S J Ivey 13
Jane Ivey 8
Franklin Ivey 5
J W Ivey 4
Amanda Ivey 1
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: , Jasper, Mississippi; Roll: M653_583; Page: 512; Image: 520; Family History Library Film: 803583.

1870 United States Federal Census about Andrew J Ivy
Name: Andrew J Ivy
Age in 1870: 65
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1870: District 3, Clarke, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Enterprise
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew J Ivy 65
Jane Ivy 55
Jane Ivy 16
Frankling Ivy 14
John W Ivy 11
Manda Ivy 8
Elizabeth Ivy 7
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: District 3, Clarke, Mississippi; Roll: M593_726; Page: 724A; Image: 479; Family History Library Film: 552225.

1880 United States Federal Census about Jackson Ivy
Name: Jackson Ivy
Age: 70
Birth Year: abt 1810
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1880: Clarke, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Jane Ivy
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
Jackson Ivy 70
Jane Ivy 67
Elizabeth Ivy 20
Alex Phillips 24
Amanda Phillips 21
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Clarke, Mississippi; Roll: 644; Family History Film: 1254644; Page: 105A; Enumeration District: 117.

1880 United States Federal Census about Jane Ivy
Name: Jane Ivy
Age: 67
Birth Year: abt 1813
Birthplace: Mississippi
[Georgia]
Home in 1880: Clarke, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Jackson Ivy
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
[Maryland]
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
[Maryland]

you can see all the references to GA.
they may not be choctaw.

location is a very important factor when finding a tribe because natives had to be living under the authority of the tribe. so always look for a nearby tribe.

http://500nations.com/Alabama_Tribes.asp
http://aiac.alabama.gov/tribes.aspx
http://www.native-languages.org/alabama.htm

http://www.native-languages.org/mississippi.htm
http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us/services4generalpublic/MSTrivia-IndianTribesInMS.html
http://500nations.com/Mississippi_Tribes.asp

http://500nations.com/Georgia_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/georgia/

some tribes are still trying to enroll.

you probably think of the choctaw tribe as one entity. it is really associated bands of natives. tribes are recognized in different locations and there is more than one choctaw tribe.

natives had an oral tradition. tribes don’t have records. but the war department kept records of natives living on reservation 1800-1940 or so and those records are at NARA.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes list applicants on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe
at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that
is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

http://www.archives.gov

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Veloyce Veloyce

posted on December 15, 2013

Hi Angela,

Andrew Jackson Ivey and Jane Harman are my 2x great grandparents also. Their daughter Elizabeth “Lizzie” Ivey married my great grandfather William Jessie Vinson. My dad was always told that his grandmother or great grandmother was either Choctaw or Cherokee but I’ve never been able to confirm this information or find any details on Jane Harman. My email address is veester37@aol.com

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 15, 2013

to help you find your heritage, here are some georgia tribal information.
http://500nations.com/Georgia_Tribes.asp
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Indians_of_Georgia

tribes were associated bands of natives. DNA might help you identify matches and then common ancestors, but might not help you identify a particular tribe. if you try DNA, you will have to develop a fairly good idea of your family tree, so you can identify where matches might fit in a particular branch. surname, location might help you there.

i have a DNA match, for instance, and it appears that our common ancestor is native in AL. i was initially thinking that the native blood came from the spouse who called himself chief, but the spouse was white and it was his wife that was native. i am telling you of this because sometimes we can make invalid assumptions because it is difficult to accumulate native documentation because the records are very limited and unsatisfying.

if you don’t know of the tribe, cherokee and creek were living in GA. the choctaw tribe had broken off from the cherokee in the 1600-1800 time period and were not friendly at this time. that is why there are few choctaw living in that area.

suzanne