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Mary Mary

posted on August 9, 2013 and updated on August 9, 2013

Hi My name is Mary, My Great Grandmas name was Sally Mariah Bell. She was married to John Carlos Bell. I was told that my Grandma lived on a reservation and was Choctaw indian. She had a daughter named Roxie Mae Bell. I am interested in finding out if I have Choctaw blood, and how much. I have 3 children and would like them to know about their Choctaw heritage. Would I need to take a blood test?
My Grandma Roxie Mae Bell was married to a man with the last name of Hillis. This is my mothers maiden name. She never really new him, because i was told they got divorced. Do you have any record of him?
Sincerely, Mary

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 10, 2013

there are no dates or locations in your post.

1940 United States Federal Census about John C Bell
Name: John C Bell
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Mississippi
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Dexter, Chaves, New Mexico
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Farm: NO
Inferred Residence in 1935: Lat, Latimer, Oklahoma
Residence in 1935: Lat, Latimer, Oklahoma
Resident on farm in 1935: Yes
Sheet Number: 8A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 152
Occupation: Gravel Shoreler
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 5
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: None
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in Government work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 10
Income: 35
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John C Bell 53
Sallie M Bell 42
Veal O Bell 9
Source Citation: Year: 1940; Census Place: Dexter, Chaves, New Mexico; Roll: T627_2440; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 3-13.

1930 United States Federal Census about John C Bell
Name: John C Bell
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Mississippi
Race: White
Home in 1930: Graham, Carter, Oklahoma
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Salie Bell
Father’s Name: Sylvester Bell
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John C Bell 43
Salie Bell 34
Mae Bell 16
Buster Bell 14
Sylvester Bell 74
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Graham, Carter, Oklahoma; Roll: 1896; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 18; Image: 467.0; FHL microfilm: 2341630.

1930 United States Federal Census about Salie Bell
Name: Salie Bell
[Sala Bell]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Home in 1930: Graham, Carter, Oklahoma
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: John C Bell
Father’s Birthplace: Texas
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas

if these people are choctaw, then they might be mississippi choctaw or MOWA.
Texas is not on the trail of tears in the late 1830s.
see the links on the treaty of rabbit creek.

1900 United States Federal Census about Sallie Williams
Name: Sallie Williams
Age: 5
Birth Date: abt 1895
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1900: Township 1, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s Name: Theodore Williams
Mother’s Name: Ida Williams
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Theodore Williams 35
Ida Williams 32
Cora Williams 11
Wesley Williams 9
Lucy Williams 7
Sallie Williams 5
Earl Williams 4
Maggie Williams 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 1, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1849; Enumeration District: 0163; FHL microfilm: 1241849.

1900 United States Federal Census about John C Bell
Name: John C Bell
Age: 14
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1900: Township 5 and 6, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Name: Silvester Bell
Mother’s Name: Nancy A Bell
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Silvester Bell 46
Nancy A Bell 38
Ira B Bell 16
John C Bell 14
Sarah E Bell 11
Jessie N Bell 6
Nettie G Bell 2
Nellie G Bell 2
Elija S Bell 4/12
Tom Wilson 9
John Wilson 9
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 5 and 6, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1851; Enumeration District: 0090; FHL microfilm: 1241851.

there was no ira bell nor wesley williams on the dawes roll. this means that neither family applied for enrollment in the five major tribes of oklahoma. but there are 63 tribes in oklahoma, links in this post. location is a major factor in tribal affiliation because the natives lived under the authority of a tribe.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes list applicants on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe
at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that
is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

http://www.archives.gov

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on August 10, 2013

Mary, this info from ancestry.com = John Carlous Bell born 4/5/1885 Mississippi,died 7/28/1964 Dexter, Chaves, New Mexico. His parents were Sylvester Bell, born in Alabama ( 1852-1941) and Nancy Missouri Ann Smith, born in Alabama (1858-1887) They were married on 11/ 21/1878 in Walker Co, Alabama. Sylvester’s father was born in S. Carolina, his mother in Alabama. Nancy’s father was born in N. Carolina, her mother in Kentucky. In 1880 this family lived in Beat 5, Walker, Alabama. In 1900 this family lived in Town 5, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory, In 1910 this family lived in Justice, Precinct 3, Baylor, Texas, John was single, age 24. John C. Bell married Sallie Mariah Williams on 3/16/1913 in Garvin Co, Oklahoma. On his WWI Draft Registration Card (9/12/1918) John lives with family in Eola, Garvin, Oklahoma. He lists his race as white. In 1920 this family lived in Tuskahoma, Pushmataha Co, Oklahoma. IN 1930 they lived in Graham, Carter, OK and in 1940 they lived in Dexter, Chaves, New Mexico. Sallie M. Williams was born 9/1/1894 in Upshur Co, Texas and died Feb. 1981 in Rosewell, Chaves, New Mexico. Her father was Theodore Williams and her mother was Ida Palmer. Her siblings were Cora, Wesley, Lucy, Earl and Maggie. In 1900 this family lived in Town 1, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory, Sallie was 5 yrs old. In 1910 this family was in Elmore, Garvin Co, Oklahoma. Sallie married in 1913, Garvin Co, Oklahoma. Her child Roxanne Mae “Betty” Bell was born 1/14/1914 in Garvin Co, Oklahoma. She died 7/31/1989. Other children were Pat " Buster" Bell ( 1916-1993) and Veal Odie Bell (1930-1961) In 1935 this family lived in Latimer Co, Oklahoma. I did not see any Indian heritage here. Hope this helps!

Mary Mary

posted on August 11, 2013

Do you have any information on a Hillis family? My Grandma, Roxie Mae Bell was married to a man, I believe his name was John Hillis. They gave birth to my mother, Cleta Phern Hillis. I have no information on him. My mother didnt really know him for long, because I was told they got divorced.

Thank you, Mary

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 11, 2013

does your mother have a birth certificate? this is where you start. her birth certificate would give a date, location, parents

i am not sure what you want here:

1920 United States Federal Census about John W Bell
Name: John W Bell
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1920: Tuskahoma, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Sallie Bell
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Bell 33
Sallie Bell 24
May Bell 6
Buster Bell 5
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Tuskahoma, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 236; Image: 742.

there are several possible john hillis records in oklahoma. you need more information to help identify things like location and dates.

you might want to try to find a marriage document from state vital records.

these are some of the possibilities, if he was living in oklahoma.
1940 United States Federal Census 1940s View Image
Name: John L Hillis
Birth: abt 1939 – Oklahoma
Residence: Shawnee, Pottawatomie, Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1891 – Oklahoma Territory

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1892 – Oklahoma Territory

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1893 – Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1894 – Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1895 – Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1896 – Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1897 – Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1898 – Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1899 – Oklahoma

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 1880s View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: abt 1876
Residence: 30 Jun 1900 – Oklahoma

1920 United States Federal Census 1920s View Image
Name: John M Hillis
Spouse: Francis L Hillis
Birth: abt 1863 – Indiana
Residence: 1920 – Tiger, Creek, Oklahoma

1900 United States Federal Census 1900s (Decade) View Image
Name: John M Hillis
Spouse: Frances L Hillis
Birth: Jan 1863 – Indiana
Residence: Township 18, Creek Nation, Indian Territory

1900 United States Federal Census 1900s (Decade) View Image
Name: John Hillis
Birth: 1875 – Nebraska
Marriage: 1894
Residence: Otoe Reservation, Noble, Oklahoma

1900 United States Federal Census 1900s (Decade) View Image
Name: John Hillis
Residence: Otoe Reservation, Noble, Oklahoma

1910 United States Federal Census 1910s View Image
Name: John W Hillis
Birth: abt 1850 – Illinois
Residence: 1910 – Stroud Ward 2, Lincoln, Oklahoma

1910 United States Federal Census 1910s View Image
Name: John M Hillis
Spouse: Francis L Hillis
Birth: abt 1863 – Indiana
Residence: 1910 – Olive, Creek, Oklahoma

if he lived in other places, then there would be more possible records.

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rayson allen rayson allen

posted on August 14, 2013 and updated on August 14, 2013

Mary, my research about Roxie Mae Bell and Mr. Hillis is best told in a story line. This may not be your Mr. Hillis, you need to look at the birth certificate of your mother, but the pieces fit. This story begins in the Great Depression Era in Oklahoma when families were being displaced and people were on the move. April 15, 1930 Graham, Carter, Oklahoma (Census) her family lives in this small town outside of Ardmore, OK. Roxie Mae Bell is a sophomore in high school,likely in Ardmore City, age 16. According to the 1926 City Directory, one Monroe Etier, one of her future husbands, also lives in Ardmore. 1931, Mae Bell drops out of school, possibly going with her family to Latimer County, OK. IN 1935 her family lives in Lutie, Latimer, OK. Some time between 1931-1934 she married Mr, Hillis, possibly in Latimer County. She becomes pregnant in Sept, 1934 and has baby Cleta Phern Hillis on 6-21-1935 supposedly in Pauls Valley, Garvin, OK, a distance away. I found an entry in the Latimer Co,OK Index of Divorce dated 8-23-1936, Case # 4001,Roll 31, Frame 2299, GSU Call # 2114579 for one James Hillis (plaintiff) VS May Bell Hillis (defendant) His residence listed as Lutie, Latimer, OK. Divorced courthouse Wilberton, Latimer, OK. Info on him: James Henry Hillis, born 2-20-1914 Lutie, Latimer, OK, died 10-21-1988 Oklahoma City. Buried at Arlington Memory Gardens there. He remarried 12-17-1936 to Pauline Stines in Sebastion County, Arkansas. He lists Wilberton, Latimer, OK as his residence. 1n 1935 his father, Robert Plesant Hillis, mother May Belle Terry Hillis, and sister Ethyl L. Hillis all live at Wilberton, OK. His parents are buried in Center Point Cemetery there. Now Mae Bell Hillis remarried to Monroe R. Etier in the fall of 1936, between Oct. and Dec. In 1940 Census they live at Wall, Stephens, OK with Cleta Hillis, age 4. Monroe was an unemployed worker on a street project. The census says they both lived at Wilberton, Latimer, OK in 1935. In 1940 her parents, John C. Bell and Sallie M. Bell now lived at Dexter, Chaves, New Mexico where her father worked as a gravel shoveler for the railroad. On his WWII Draft Registration Card,1942, Monroe Etier lists his wife May as living in Dexter, Chaves, New Mexico. He was living in Stockton, San Joaquin, CA working as a painter,but had taken a job with Northern Pacific Railway in Spokane, WA, working as a laborer. Some time in 1944 Mae and Monroe divorced, because on 3-30-1945 she married Francis Patrick Griffin in Roswell, Chaves, New Mexico. On 9-1-1945 Monroe Etier died in Skykomish, King, WA. and was buried in Marlow, Stephens, OK. Frances Patrick Griffin died of a heart attack in Albuquerque and was buried in Roswell, Chaves, NM. Roxie Mae Bell Hillis Etier Griffin, now known as Betty Mae Griffin, died 7-31-1989 in Roswell, Chaves, New Mexico. Both are buried there. Cleta Phern Hillis married Irvin Anthony Hemesath on 8-8-1959. End of story, draw your own conclusions. Good luck on your research!

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on August 17, 2013 and updated on August 17, 2013

Info on Monroe R. Etier (the R stands for Richard or Robert, I have found both references) Born 9-4- 1895 Marlow, Stephens Co, Oklahoma/ died 9-1-1945 Skykomish, King Co, Washington // 1900 CENSUS, Town 2, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory- Monroe Etier, age 4 // 1910 CENSUS, Wall, Stephens, Oklahoma- Monroe Etier, age 13 // World War I Draft Registration Card, June 5, 1918 living at Marlow, Stephens Co, Oklahoma, age 24 NOTE: He enlisted 6-7-1918, served until 3-24-1919 as Private First Class, 42nd Infantry, 12th Division, US Army, WW I // 1926 ARDMORE CITY DIRECTORY, ARDMORE, OKLAHOMA- Monroe Etier // 1942 WW II DRAFT REGISTRATION CARD- Monroe Richard Etier, age 46, born 9-4-1895 in Marlow, Stephens, Oklahoma. Current address = Stockton, San Joaquin, Calif. Contact person= wife, May Etier, Dexter, Chaves, New Mexico, Box 272 Footnote reads= Spokane, Washington, Northern Pacific R R // Buried in Marlow Cemetery (headstone) Marlow, Stephens, Oklahoma. NOTE: The 1940 CENSUS, Wall, Stephens, Oklahoma incorrectly spells his name Momas Etres. His parents were William Henry Etier and Mary Elizabeth Cutbirth.