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Looking for FOLSOM's........

Belinda Belinda

posted on October 5, 2010

Hi, ive always wonder about my dad, he is/was full blood choctaw but i neve meant him…. all i know is his name-William Sampson Folsom or Sampson William Folsom ( need to look at my brith cert again :) ) I am 33 and I think it says he was like 43….. and he may be a jr but again I will have to check… I just want to know more & hopefully get my indian card…..looks like you need to know alot before applying & i know nothing!! lol so if anyone can help please leave comment!! Thank you & God bless!!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 6, 2010

you can contact the tribe’s genealogy advocate and see if he was enrolled. that might help you.

yes you should find your birth certificate, so that you have more exact information. it sounds like he was born about 76 years ago? that would put his birthdate about 1934. i only have the 1930 census to work with at present. they will be making the 1940 census public in 2012.

http://www.folsomfamily.org/

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match

records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information

rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden

name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many

times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2)

they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have

documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had

accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to

that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and

agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the

card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census

records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some

native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under

genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560

(251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is

helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they

don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan

program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not.

but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to

see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in

particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a

different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find

a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me,

shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Belinda Belinda

posted on October 6, 2010

Thank you Suzanne, well i looked at my brith cert & his name is Sampson W Folsom Jr……… and there are sampson folsoms on the rolles… not sure what else i need to know to try to get my card???? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 6, 2010

you should contact the tribe’s genealogy advocate. i am not that person. i have no affiliation with the tribe at all. i am just a volunteer who has experience with native records and this is the way i choose to use my expertise.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

i wonder if this is the father:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Sampson Willis Folsom
Name: Sampson Willis Folsom
County: Atoka
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Oklahoma;United States of America
Birth Date: 31 May 1891
Race: Indian (Native American)
FHL Roll Number: 1851605
DraftBoard: 0

you should write for his birth certificate, probably the state of oklahoma.
http://www.ok.gov/health/Birth_and_Death_Certificates/

sampson folsom was a famous person and several children were named after him. this is probably why you are running into so many choices.
your parents’ marriage license would be helpful. the tribe might ask for this document.
there might hae been a notice in the paper for the marriage and your birth. you can use the interlibrary loan program to get a copy of these. see your local public library for this.

gl

Belinda Belinda

posted on October 18, 2010

Well his name is “Sampson William Folsom, Jr” & pretty sure his DOB 09/04/1934 and ofcourse his dads name was Sampson William Folsom…. I can not get a birth certificate because they want to know my dads moms name & I dont know that….Ive never meant him or anything…..so I think im stuck w/o getting the indican card :( which sucks…….. thanks for all your information though

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 18, 2010

no, don’t give up.

do you have your parents’ birth certificates? marriage license? were they divorced? birth announcement? marriage announcement? there are many possible records in newspapers, court papers.

there is one sampson folsom here:
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Wewoka, Seminole, Oklahoma; Roll 1930; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 30; Image: 904.0.

this might be the same person:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Sampson Folsom
Name: Sampson Folsom
County: Muskogee
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Oklahoma;United States of America
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1897
FHL Roll Number: 1851890
DraftBoard: 0
he lists his wife as dona folsom.
lives in bragg, OK

you have posted and you don’t give any location information, which is quite important.
why are you pretty sure his date of birth was 9/4/1934? where was he born? what document do you have?
what about a death certificate?
do you have an obituary?

what was his occupation? where did he go to school? have you looked for phone directory information? voters records?

you can probably access newspapers through your library’s interlibrary loan program.

have you posted on other messageboards. rootsweb.com and genealogy.com might be good places to search and post. both have tribe, location, surname messageboards. look at the rootsweb worldconnect records and see if any fit your family.