Gayle McGavern
posted on July 2, 2010
My daddy’s name was Charles Payne. His mother was Helen [Townsend] Payne and I believe her grandmother was Icy [Frost] Farmer.
posted on July 2, 2010
My daddy’s name was Charles Payne. His mother was Helen [Townsend] Payne and I believe her grandmother was Icy [Frost] Farmer.
posted on July 7, 2010
icy frost m. ? farmer>helen townsend m. ? payne>charles payne
no explanation for why helen’s name is townsend and her mother married a ? farmer. maybe i have the post wrong,, i don’t know.
unfortunately, there isn’t enough information to be able to find them on the dawes roll.
unfortunately, you have not named a location, given any years they were alive, named no
spouses or children. you have given no dates of death. you haven’t given your
grandmother’s name. this is a common surname, so you have to give more information
rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include their maiden name
and married name and designate which one is the maiden name.
first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times
natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were
philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they
were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of
tribal enrollmment.
the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time
period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there
permanently.
since the name is so common, i am finding too many possible records.
the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy
advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.
suzanne hamlet shatto
posted on July 8, 2010
If you order a death certificate, you can get the birth information from there to do more research.
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