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Looking for the WISE family

Heather Maxwell Heather Maxwell

posted on September 25, 2010

Hi there, I am trying to reconnect with my Choctaw heritage- I have documentation dating back to 1880’s in “Choctaw” Oklahoma and I am hoping to connect with my Choctaw ancestors. I am looking for the “Wise” family- my Great Grand Father was John Horton Wise born in Zoe? Oklahoma- Pardon the spelling of Zoe as I am unsure of how to spell it. But I am not far from the lineage and I was raised being proud that I come from Native American Blood.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 25, 2010

this is not enough information because there are several john wise records in oklahoma. there are no spouse, no children, no dates to narrow this search down.

was this your relative?

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about John Horton Wise
Name: John Horton Wise
Social Security #: 564100042
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1903
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Death Date: 28 Nov 1959
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother’s Maiden Name: Moore
Father’s Surname: Wise

for a death certificate:
California Department of Health Services
Office of Vital Records
M.S. 5103
P.O. Box 997410
Sacramento, CA 95899-7410

Please visit the following web site to obtain the necessary forms and current pricing information:

if this is your relative, you could also get a copy of his social security application which would list parents, birthplace and other information. this would point you in the direction of documents. he might have filed a delayed birth certificate in order to show proof of age.

an obituary could help you also. you could go to your local public library with this information and ask for an obituary through the interlibrary loan program.

iew Record Name Parent or Spouse Names Home in 1910
(City,County,State) Birth Year Birthplace Relation View Image
View Record
John Wise Charles,
Clora Center, Mayes, Oklahoma abt 1904 Ohio Son
View Record
John Wise George,
Mary Moore, Muskogee, Oklahoma abt 1907 Texas Son
View Record
John H Wiss
[John H Wise] George H,
Matilda Woodward, Woodward, Oklahoma abt 1907 Oklahoma Son

these are some of the possibilities. you can see that one person was b. OH. another person was b. TX. and the last one was born in OK around 1907 to george h. wise and matilda wise. both of the parents were b. IN and might not be native.

if i look on the family trees on ancestry, there are a few entries for this person:

* o John horton wise o * o Birth o + 1 aug, 1906 + in leflore, county okla territory o Death o + dec 1959 + in Wilmington, California, USA


Frank E Wise 1880 – Claria E 1886 –

Household Members:
Name Age
Frank E Wise 30
Claria E Wise 24
Albert F Wise 6
Marrey L Wise 5
Rattey A Wise 4
Viola M Wise 2 6/12
Un Named Wise 7/12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Olive, Creek, Oklahoma; Roll T624_1249; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 48; Image: 988.

Household Members:
Name Age
Frank E Wise 42
Clara E Wise 34
Albert F Wise 16
Kattie A Wise 13
Viola M Wise 12
Forest E Wise 10
George H Wise 45
John H Wise 13
Lucie L Wise 10
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Lagoon, Pawnee, Oklahoma; Roll T625_1481; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 145; Image: 1140.

he must have been that ’rattey" in the 1910 census.

Father’s Name: Frank E Wise
Father’s Birth Place: Indiana
Mother’s Name: Clara E Wise
Mother’s Birth Place: Pennsylvania

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto