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Sheba Hill Sheba Hill

posted on March 25, 2013

Iam trying to find information on my great grandmother. One of Her married names were Gibson also Crownover. She had 3 or 4 children with her first husband (I guess it was her first) I know there was Ulva, George and I believe another not sur of names. Her 2nd marriage she had 4 children. Haskell, Seeborn, Roxie (my grandmother) and Lois. They lived in Pushmataha for many years (until requested to relocate to Az) The 1940 census shows my grangmother and her children as native american. She married Earl Lee Hill. Would love any information. Gg ma went to St Agnes school for Indians and Blacks. Could they have changed her name?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 26, 2013

there are no dates, no surnames for the children. not sure where they lived in the 1940 census. no names for the previous spouses.

i couldn’t find a sheba that fit any of these married surnames. no maiden name for her.

1920 United States Federal Census about Ulva Gibson
Name: Ulva Gibson
[Velva Gibson]
Age: 16
Birth Year: abt 1904
Birthplace: Louisiana
Home in 1920: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Step Daughter
[Stepdaughter]
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s name: Minnie Crownover
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
M Crownover 54
Minnie Crownover 39
B Crownover 28
Ulva Gibson 16
George Gibson 13
Hascal Crownover 12
Seeborn Crownover 7
Roxie Crownover 6
Lois Crownover 1
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Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 224; Image: 425.

you can correct the ancestry.com index for the people on this census record. that way, others can find your family.

1910 United States Federal Census about Velva M Gibson
Name: Velva M Gibson
Age in 1910: 6
Birth Year: abt 1904
1904
Birthplace: Louisiana
Home in 1910: Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: StepDaughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s name: Minnie Z Crownover
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Matterson Crownover 53
Minnie Z Crownover 30
Edgar D Crownover 19
Joseph C Crownover 17
Jennie B Crownover 14
Mattie D Crownover 10
Haskill Crownover 0
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Joseph Gibson 12
Velva M Gibson 6
George O Gibson 4
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1271; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 0263; FHL microfilm: 1375284.

1910 United States Federal Census about Minnie Z Crownover
Name: Minnie E Crownover
[Minnie Z]
Age in 1910: 30
Birth Year: abt 1880
1880
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Matterson Crownover
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas

joseph was b.~1898 TX and velva and george were b. LA. so minnie was not in OK at the time of enrollment for the tribe.

i am not finding a good census record for the family.

1900 United States Federal Census about Matt Crannover
Name: Matt Crannover
[Matt Crownover]
[Matt Crownover]
Age: 48
Birth Date: Feb 1857
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1900: Mineral, Sevier, Arkansas
[Sevier]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Sarah Crannover
Marriage Year: 1880
Years Married: 20
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Matt Crannover 48
Sarah Crannover 82
Stirling Crannover 19
Anna Crannover 16
Ewell Crannover 12
Edgar Crannover 10
Joseph B Crannover 7
Jennie Crannover 4
Mattie Crannover 8/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Mineral, Sevier, Arkansas; Roll: 76; Page: 20B; Enumeration District: 0153; FHL microfilm: 1240076.

mattison was b. franklin, TN? and passed away 5 Dec 1927 – Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma

one ancestry.com record says that minnie’s maiden name was

Minnie E Ballard
Birth abt 1881 in Oklahoma
Death 3 Aug 1968 in Mesa, Maricopa, AZ

Birth: 1881
Death: Aug. 3, 1968

Burial:
City of Mesa Cemetery
Mesa
Maricopa County
Arizona, USA
Plot: Block 0429, Lot 3, Grave 3

this record is on findagrave.com

i do not know if this is minnie:

1900 United States Federal Census about Minnie Gibson
Name: Minnie Gibson
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1876
Birthplace: Iowa
Home in 1900: Sapulpa, Creek Nation, Indian Territory
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: William B Gibson
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William B Gibson 36
Minnie Gibson 24
Floyd Gibson 5
William B Gibson 2
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Sapulpa, Creek Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1853; Enumeration District: 0053; FHL microfilm: 1241853.

i doubt it since the children were b. AR. but sometimes people gave incorrect information for birthplace on the census, but then this leaves you without a 1900 census record. i would suggest that you get birth records for her children. also, minnie’s social security application would be helpful. minnie would have had to submit a delayed birth certificate or birth certificate when social security went into effect 1/1/1937. file a SS-5 for the social security application.
http://genealogy.about.com/od/online_records/a/ss5_request.htm

many natives did not apply to a tribe. tribes were really associated bands of natives and natives often moved with a particular band. minnie could be jena choctaw or mississippi choctaw or another tribe. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma, links in this post.

you will have to try to trace her family back in time to the 1830’s and see if her parents or grandparents accepted land in lieu of tribal enrollment in MS or AL. that would suggest that she might be mississippi choctaw.

i do not know why you are talking about whether her name was changed so i can’t answer your question. st. agnes academy was a catholic school and a nearby catholic church might be able to help you find her school records. the agents also kept lists of students in non-published records and those reports are at NARA, fort worth, TX office.

there should be a world war I draft card for joseph. that might be a project to find. this would give an exact birthdate and maybe birthplace information.

i don’t see a dawes record for joseph of the right age.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 31, 2013

Sheba Hill

posted today at 12:20AM

I’m sorry I get to tapping and forget what I put and what I didn’t. The 1940 census was my grandmother and grandfather Hill.
Earl Lee Hill, Roxie, Edna Earl, and Roy Lee Hill (my father). It was Oklahoma I believe. The death record for Minnie is the corre

manually copied to this thread:
Sheba Hill

posted today at 12:20AM

I’m sorry I get to tapping and forget what I put and what I didn’t. The 1940 census was my grandmother and grandfather Hill.
Earl Lee Hill, Roxie, Edna Earl, and Roy Lee Hill (my father). It was Oklahoma I believe. The death record for Minnie is the corre

1940 United States Federal Census about Roy L Hill
Name: Roy L Hill
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1933
Gender: Male
Race: Indian (Native American)
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Home in 1940: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
View Map
Street: West Main Hiway 19
Inferred Residence in 1935: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Sheet Number: 6B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 1st grade
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Earl L Hill 37
Roxie Hill 27
Edna E Hill 9
Roy L Hill 7
Source Citation: Year: 1940; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T627_3329; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 64-2.

Birth: Jul. 9, 1903
Death: May 12, 1983

Burial:
City of Mesa Cemetery
Mesa
Maricopa County
Arizona, USA
Plot: Section 783, Lot 1, Grave 1
findagrave.com for earl l. hill.

Social Security Death Index about Earl Hill
Name: Earl Hill
SSN: 444-10-6491
Last Residence: 85222 Casa Grande, Pinal, Arizona, United States of America
Born: 8 Jul 1903
Died: May 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

1940 United States Federal Census about Roxie Hill
Name: Roxie Hill
Respondent: Yes
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Gender: Female
Race: Indian (Native American)
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
View Map
Street: West Main Hiway 19
Inferred Residence in 1935: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Sheet Number: 6B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 7th grade

Birth: Jan. 22, 1914
Death: Jun. 19, 1977

Burial:
City of Mesa Cemetery
Mesa
Maricopa County
Arizona, USA
Plot: Section 783, Lot 1, Grave 2
findagrave.com for roxie hill.

these cemetery records indicate the cemetery may have records, where you should look for death certificates for earl and roxie: arizona.

Social Security Death Index about Roxie Hill
Name: Roxie Hill
SSN: 527-34-6114
Last Residence: 85228 Coolidge, Pinal, Arizona, United States of America
Born: 24 Jan 1914
Last Benefit: 85228 Coolidge, Pinal, Arizona, United States of America
Died: Jun 1977
State (Year) SSN issued: Arizona (Before 1951)

1930 United States Federal Census about Roxie Cronover
Name: Roxie Cronover
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1914
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Race: White
Home in 1930: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
View Map
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Sister
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Haskell Cronover 19
Roxie Cronover 16
Lois Cronover 12
Mattie Cronover 9
Gertrude Cronover 5
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: 1929; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 614.0; FHL microfilm: 2341663.

1920 United States Federal Census about Roxie Crownover
Name: Roxie Crownover
Age: 6
Birth Year: abt 1914
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1920: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: M Crownover
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s name: Minnie Crownover
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
M Crownover 54
Minnie Crownover 39
B Crownover 28
Ulva Gibson 16
George Gibson 13
Hascal Crownover 12
Seeborn Crownover 7
Roxie Crownover 6
Lois Crownover 1
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Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 224; Image: 425

1910 United States Federal Census about Minnie Z Crownover
Name: Minnie E Crownover
[Minnie Z]
Age in 1910: 30
Birth Year: abt 1880
1880
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Matterson Crownover
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Matterson Crownover 53
Minnie Z Crownover 30
Edgar D Crownover 19
Joseph C Crownover 17
Jennie B Crownover 14
Mattie D Crownover 10
Haskill Crownover 0
[10/12]
Joseph Gibson 12
Velva M Gibson 6
George O Gibson 4
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1271; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 0263; FHL microfilm: 1375284.

so, if you are trying to find whether you are eligible to enroll, it appears that you would need minnie gibson to be on the dawes roll with joseph gibson, son.
and that’s what i don’t see. a record for joseph gibson with a mother minnie.

1910 United States Federal Census about Joseph Gibson
Name: Joseph Gibson
Age in 1910: 12
Birth Year: abt 1898
1898
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1910: Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Step Son
[Stepson]
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s name: Minnie Z Crownover
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma

joseph was b. TX. that could be why his mother didn’t apply to an oklahoma tribe. but i’m not finding a record for minnie and joseph gibson that seems to fit.

do you have a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate for joseph? do you have a death certificate or cemetery record or obituary for him?

on ancestry.com, in self-entered family trees, there is a family tree with a picture of mattison crownover.

Mattison “Matt” Crownover
Birth 28 Jan 1857 in Crow Creek, Franklin, TN
Death 5 Dec 1927 in Antlers, Pushmataha, OK

1857 28 Jan Crow Creek, Franklin, TN

6 source citations

Residence
1860 Age: 3
District 9, Franklin, Tennessee, United States
Age in 1860: 3

1 source citation

Residence
1870 Age: 13
District 9, Franklin, Tennessee, United States
Age in 1870: 13

1 source citation

Marriage to Sarah Elizabeth Smith
1880 13 May Age: 23
Coffee, Tennessee
Married on 13 May 1880 To Mattison Crownover—Per TN Marriage license issued 24 May

2 source citations

Residence
1880 Age: 23
District 9, Franklin, Tennessee, United States
Age: 23; Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Son

1 source citation

Residence
1900 Age: 43
Mineral, Sevier, Arkansas
Age: 43; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head

1 source citation

Marriage to Minnie E (Gibson) Ballard
1907 c Age: 50
OK
In 1910 Census it list Minnie & Mattison married 3 yrs. Children 5/3

Residence
1910 Age: 53
Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Age in 1910: 53; Age in 1910: 53; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Self; Relation to Head of House: Head

1 source citation

Residence
1920 Age: 63
Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Age: 54; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head

1 source citation

Death
1927 5 Dec Age: 70
Antlers, Pushmataha, OK

first wife:

Sarah Elizabeth Smith
Birth 18 Jun 1858 in Scott Co, TN
Death 13 Apr 1907 in Antlers, Pushmataha, OK

Minnie E (Gibson) Ballard
Birth 11 Feb 1881 in Oklahoma, Indian Territory
Death 3 Aug 1968 in Mesa, Maricopa, AZ

Birth
1881 11 Feb
Oklahoma, Indian Territory

6 source citations

Marriage to Mattison “Matt” Crownover
1907 c Age: 26
OK
In 1910 Census it list Minnie & Mattison married 3 yrs. Children 5/3

Residence
1910 Age: 29
Antlers Ward 2, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Age in 1910: 30; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife

1 source citation

Residence
1920 Age: 39
Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Age: 39; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife

1 source citation

Residence
1930 Age: 49
Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Age: 48; Marital Status: Widowed; Relation to Head of House: Lodger

1 source citation

Residence
1935 Age: 54
Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma

1 source citation

Residence
1940 1 Apr Age: 59
Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma, United States
Age: 60; Marital Status: Widowed; Relation to Head of House: Head

1 source citation

Death
1968 3 Aug Age: 87
Mesa, Maricopa, AZ
Age at Death: 87
you can see the 1900 census is missing from the records.

Spouse & Children

William Gibson Joseph Gibson 1898 – Ulva Gibson 1904 – George Otis Gibson 1905 – 1979

nothing on joseph except he was b. TX

Ulva Gibson
Birth abt 1904 in Louisiana
Death

George Otis Gibson
Birth 10 Sep 1905 in Louisiana
Death 2 Sep 1979 in Tulare, Tulare, CA

and very little on william gibson, the father of minnie’s children.

i am still not finding the family in the 1900 census. i think you need more documents.

you need more specific locations for this family, since they could be in 3 different states in 1900.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 28, 2013

really, i have a great deal of difficulty trying to follow posts that are on different threads.

it appears to me that you need to get some records. i cannot do it for you.

suzanne hamlet shatto