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susan susan

posted on February 1, 2013

great great grandmother henrietta blanchard married doucette of nova scotia canada, found half breed records- red river canada, trying to connect names to henrietta blanchard, henrietta’s mother either was a pits or married into pits, trying to connect names-choctaw,cherokee dawes roll
blanchard married doucette-child,
james doucette my grandfather married adel godbout all from canada child
my grandmother louise doucette married charles gehue, all from canada-gehue comes up in records micmac

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 1, 2013

the choctaw tribe is from the SE, such as MS and AL. the cherokee tribe goes up to KY but that’s about as far north as they go.
so i don’t see how your family connects with southeastern tribes.
i don’t know what documents you are talking about. if your family has canadian documents regarding native heritage, this is the location that you should search.
you need to give specific information about dates, locations, children, spouse so that others can try to help you.

you start with the death and work backwards in time. cemetery record might be on findagrave.com or interment.net. death record can be at state/province vital records or state/province archives. obituary might be available from your local public library/interlibrary loan program.

then you have to look at census 1900-1940 for your family. this gives you location, family members, approximate dates. if you have a common name, you will have to look closely to match family.

if you are looking for different tribes, you can try rootsweb.com, as they have webprojects for location and tribes, surnames.

the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in oklahoma/indian territory has the names of applicants to the five major tribes and this will not help you if your family lived elsewhere. people who lived elsewhere usually didn’t apply to tribes in this location. it appears from your post that you don’t know which tribe that people in your family might have belonged. you might be able to narrow this down somewhat by using maps, showing where your family lived. also, accessgenealogy has descriptions of where tribes were located.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/canada/canadiantribes.htm

location is a major factor with tribal affiliation.

while i have a subscription to ancestry.com and access to many records, i do not have an international subscription, so i cannot help you with canadian records. check with your local public library about whether they have a subscription to ancestry.com international subscription.

i can also tell you that natives that were affiliated with tribes generally stayed in the community, that tribes were made up of bands of natives that were affiliated with tribes. you should not just think that people affiliated with different tribes with no regard to tribal authority/location. while you might be confused about your heritage, people who lived in earlier times were less confused about allegiance, tribal authority, location of the tribe.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

susan susan

posted on February 2, 2013

Im very grateful for all that information, thanks for your time. Im basically new to this research stuff and picking up my brother Joe’s wish to put the family tree in whole. My brother past away and all his research is being held over family disputes"how sad". Canada was a focul point for his research but in brief conversations flowed into West Virginia,Oklahoma. Dawes roll info on Pits. My start point and with everyone deseased.My grandfather:
Charles Gehue Bear River Nova Scotia
siblings in a census
susie,boyd,clara etc
clara comes up as a north american indian basket maker, moving to Houlton Maine
Charles Gehue married my grandmother Louise Alice Doucette - her parents were James Doucette and Adele Godbout of Canada, moved to massachusettes died in California. Found all Godbouts ancestry. James Doucettes mother was Henrietta Blanchard— that would make her my great great great grandmother, its her mothers maiden name. Somewhere in that name game comes the name Pits. Pits were full blood indian. Oklahoma is where those records are last according to my brother. When I go online for Henrietta Blanchard through rootweb—comes up Jacque Doucet—that is correct—that doucet name changes in massachusettes to James Doucette. I can go to Canada and get marriage certificates for Jacque Doucet/Henrietta Blanchard but I cannot get exact dates. Gone into online data novascotiagenealogy but find nothing. Called Canada, there are alot of Doucettes—-Doucet.
So I do find the name Pits in Oklahoma .So Im just connecting names and info from every source to help in my ancestry. Through all the years of stories and growing up with my grandmother Louise Gehue, and family pictures, i have a wonderful rich history of both cherokee and micmac ancestry, its the names my brother stated crossed over and flowed into choctaw with marriage. Ancestry is rewarding but the names are the connections and Im new at it. Thanks for all that info.ont stop till the family tree is done. So any info is great news to me.So I start in Canada but flowing into Oklahoma.

susan susan

posted on February 2, 2013

Im very grateful for all that information, thanks for your time. Im basically new to this research stuff and picking up my brother Joe’s wish to put the family tree in whole. My brother past away and all his research is being held over family disputes"how sad". Canada was a focul point for his research but in brief conversations flowed into West Virginia,Oklahoma. Dawes roll info on Pits. My start point and with everyone deseased.My grandfather:
Charles Gehue Bear River Nova Scotia
siblings in a census
susie,boyd,clara etc
clara comes up as a north american indian basket maker, moving to Houlton Maine
Charles Gehue married my grandmother Louise Alice Doucette - her parents were James Doucette and Adele Godbout of Canada, moved to massachusettes died in California. Found all Godbouts ancestry. James Doucettes mother was Henrietta Blanchard— that would make her my great great great grandmother, its her mothers maiden name. Somewhere in that name game comes the name Pits. Pits were full blood indian. Oklahoma is where those records are last according to my brother. When I go online for Henrietta Blanchard through rootweb—comes up Jacque Doucet—that is correct—that doucet name changes in massachusettes to James Doucette. I can go to Canada and get marriage certificates for Jacque Doucet/Henrietta Blanchard but I cannot get exact dates. Gone into online data novascotiagenealogy but find nothing. Called Canada, there are alot of Doucettes—-Doucet.
So I do find the name Pits in Oklahoma .So Im just connecting names and info from every source to help in my ancestry. Through all the years of stories and growing up with my grandmother Louise Gehue, and family pictures, i have a wonderful rich history of both cherokee and micmac ancestry, its the names my brother stated crossed over and flowed into choctaw with marriage. Ancestry is rewarding but the names are the connections and Im new at it. Thanks for all that info.ont stop till the family tree is done. So any info is great news to me.So I start in Canada but flowing into Oklahoma.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 2, 2013

pits is probably pitts.
but you have no first name and this is a big problem.
there were over 1 million people living in oklahoma/indian territory according to the 1900 census.
you need much more information to find results. there are still no dates, no specific locations.
there are 63 pitts records on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in oklahoma as applicants for the five major tribes. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma, so many tribes’ applicants are not on the dawes roll. this is why you need more information, such as birthdate, location, children and spouse.

this is the idea: start with what you know, collect documents (which are likely not online – birth, death, marriage, census) and then go backward in time. if you get stuck, the 1/1/1937 social security application might help, since the person themselves disclosed parents, locations, dates. if you get stuck, look at the childrens’ documents, which fix the family to a date and location, often refer to the parents.

the 1900-1940 census can help you identify family members, find locations where they lived, identify approximate dates and locations.

do you have a cemetery record? try findagrave.com and interment.net for that. if you know where they passed away, rootsweb projects by state/county is an excellent source of information.
do you have a death certificate? while most of those are not online, you should contact vital records or, if before 1930, the state archives and vital records for that. most states have a state vital records office. some records are at the county vital records office/court clerk.
do you have an obituary? such a newspaper item can tell you parents, locations, spouse, children, locations and dates. see your local public library interlibrary loan program.

while spelling is important, you will find that names may have changed over time, become variants. so you need to be generous on spelling before 1940. this means you have to look for phonetic spelling, double letter variations. some databases let you use partial names or give you the option to use wildcard type of choices. ancestry.com, for instance, allows you to use a wildcard, if you know the first three letters of a name, such as pit*, which would get pit, pitt, pitts, etc. in addition, sometimes people went by nicknames or middle names. this is why it is so important to find several census records, so that you know which family members would be likely to be with the relative on a particular record. sometimes you have to use those family members to find the family, such as when someone says their name is “j.t.”.

if you need a birth document, and it is before 1940, you should ask for both a delayed birth certificate and a birth certificate from the state vital records office. if the birth document you need is old, then you have to check with the state historical society and state archives also.

if you family did apply to a tribe, then you should see if there is a birth document in the dawes package. however, you do not have to supply the tribe with a birth document for original enrollees.

you are still speaking of tribal enrollment and tribal heritage as if they are one and the same and they are not. many natives did not apply for enrollment because they were philosophically opposed or not qualified for a particular time. so even if your relatives were native and lived in oklahoma, there is no certainty that you will find heritage information here. land rushes and business opportunities drew people to oklahoma/indian territory.

do not make the mistake of thinking that if you cannot find something online, that it doesn’t exist. this is untrue. and you should pursue information that requires a more formal procedure to acquire. state archives only put some indices of information online. so does accessgenealogy.com. this only means that there is an underlying record, that many people want that type of information.

when you do genealogy, it is important to be organized and present the information in a certain way: birth (date/location), death(date/location), spouse(s), children. if you need software, legacy software is an excellent organizing tool. rootsweb.com also has worldconnect records, where people can share family trees. both are free to use.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
there is a learning curve for legacy but it is worth learning, since you have to learn about how to do genealogy. the basic program is free.

i don’t know whether doucette/blanchard/gehue have anything to do with this inquiry about pits/pitts. you don’t describe any connection to an unnamed pitts. this statement does not describe what you have, what you are looking for, who is associated with the name, whether there is a location, whether there are children, whether the person is male or female: “So I do find the name Pits in Oklahoma.” so you need some specificity and detail here. if you want help with unnamed pitts people, then you must give information about what you are looking for: name/birth/death/location/children/spouse. what documents you have. what information you are looking for.

suzanne hamlet shatto