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Cheryl Ferrell - Ponce Cheryl Ferrell - Ponce

posted on December 17, 2012

I am trying to find a marriage certificate of Lilly Hagerman to George Washington Ferrell. Lilly Hagerman was born on Oklahoma Indian Territory in about 1888 to Charles Hagerman and Silvenia Hagerman. She gave birth to my grandfather Allen Ferrell on Oklahoma Territory about 1910. I presume then that the marriage took place on Oklahoma territory. I am attaching the 1900 United States Federal Census showing she was born on Indian Territory, Choctaw Nation , Township 4. As well I am attaching a 1961 death certificate of Lilly ferrell showing her father as Charles Hagerman. I have a 1930 Census showing Lilly Ferrell, George Washington Ferrell, and my grandfather Allen Ferrell.

Would you be able to help me with this marriage certificate?
Thank you so much
Cheryl A. Ferrell – Ponce


suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 18, 2012

i cannot see your picture.

there are several factors that will affect whether you can find this document:
oklahoma became a state in 1907. before that, it was indian territory and services were given through the forts. some people married in TX also.
it was mandated in 1929 by congress that counties keep vital records. before this time, some records were spotty.
there were some services through district courts, so you should also check that.

so the 1900 census won’t tell you the jurisdiction. was there a fort nearby? if so, the records are likely at NARA

1910 United States Federal Census about Allen Ferrell
Name: Allen Ferrell
[Alin Johnson]
Age in 1910: 0
Birth Year: abt 1910
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: George Johnson
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s Name: Lilia Johnson
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ferrell 30
Lilia Ferrell 21
Viola J Ferrell 3
Charles A Ferrell 2
Allen Ferrell 0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1271; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0265; ; FHL microfilm: 1375284.

it appears that others are also researching this family, as there are several records associated with this person that others cite.

for some reason, this surname is coded as johnson on the 1910 census. i don’t know why. do you know why?

they were married 4 years on the 1910 census. so they were married around 1905-1906.

i could not find the marriage here:

Pushmataha-County – Court Clerk
Court House
Antlers, OK 74523
Phone: (580)298-2274

this is apparently a book. you should check with your local public library/interlibrary loan program for access.

Newspaper substitutes for some burned Pushmataha Co., OK, marriage records for the period, October, 1924 through July 5, 1933: And some pre-statehood marriages, 1900-November, 1907 [Unknown Binding]
author Kay Brown Black,_Oklahoma

try district court records here:
oklahoma historical society

1920 United States Federal Census about George W Johnson
Name: George W Johnson
[George W Ferrell]
Age: 41
Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: West Virginia
Home in 1920: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Lillie Johnson
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s Birthplace: Virginia
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George W Johnson 41
Lillie Johnson 31
Charlie Johnson 11
Ellen Johnson 10
Dorthy Johnson 8
Mike Johnson 6
Richard Johnson 1
[1 11/12]
Nellie Johnson
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 226; Image: 485.

1900 United States Federal Census about Lilly Hagerman
Name: Lilly Hagerman
Age: 11
Birth Date: abt 1889
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Home in 1900: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s Name: Charles Hagerman
Mother’s Name: Silvenia Hagerman
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Hagerman 65
Silvenia Hagerman 31
Lilly Hagerman 11
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1852; ; Enumeration District: 0110; FHL microfilm: 1241852.

is this where she passed away?

West Virginia, Deaths Index, 1853-1973 about Lilly Hagerman Ferrell
Name: Lilly Hagerman Ferrell
Death Date: 6 Jul 1961
Death Place: Mingo, West Virginia
Father Name: Charles Hagerman
Mother Name: Nicholes
FHL Film Number: 2074164

1930 United States Federal Census about Lilly Ferrell
Name: Lilly Ferrell
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Race: White
Home in 1930: Gilbert, Mingo, West Virginia
View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: E W Ferrell
Father’s Birthplace: West Virginia
Mother’s Birthplace: Oklahoma


Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
E W Ferrell 48
Lilly Ferrell 38
Allen Ferrell 20
Dortha Ferrell 19
Mike Ferrell 16
Richard Ferrell 12
Nellie Ferrell 10
Garnett Harlin 1
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Gilbert, Mingo, West Virginia; Roll: 2547; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 20; Image: 845.0; FHL microfilm: 2342281.

lilly says she was first married when she was 15 and george says he was 24.

lilly’s father was b. WV? george was b. WV and so were his parents.

1900 United States Federal Census about Charles Hagerman
Name: Charles Hagerman
Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1835
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1900: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Silvenia Hagerman

1900 United States Federal Census about Silvenia Hagerman
Name: Silvenia Hagerman
Age: 31
Birth Date: abt 1869
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1900: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Charles Hagerman

this is very interesting. i don’t know how many people had this name.
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Hagerman Mary 0 F 5834 P
Choctaw Hagerman William 0 M 5834 P
Choctaw Hagerman Charles 67 M IW 5834 NR ANTLERS BB

bb-by blood
IW-intermarried white, a general nontribal description
so maybe lilly’s mother was deceased soon after 1900 and her husband enrolled after she died.

if you think this might be your relative, you should get a copy of this dawes application, census card and supporting documents/testimony.
the oklahoma historical society or NARA fort worth, TX office would have it. might have a copy online and a month’s subscription is less than the price of the documents from the other sources.

district court website
but i didn’t see a g ferrell name that married a hagerman

i see this:
Richard Victor Ferrell, 85
McMinnville resident and Ethel, Okla., native Richard Victor Ferrell, 85, died Feb. 26 at River Park Hospital after an extended illness.

A shipping and receiving supervisor with Ford Motor Company and a member of the Church of God of Prophecy, he was the son of the late George and Lily Hagerman Ferrell; and was preceded in death by his first wife, Joyce Trent Ferrell in 1982; brothers, Robert, Allen, Mike and Junior Ferrell; sisters, Nellie Purdue and Dorothy Harrison; granddaughter, Angie Ferrell; step-granddaughter, Cynthia Wakins and step-grandson, Richie Bishop.

He is survived by his wife, Geneva Ferrell; daughters and sons-in-law, Nina Gonzales of Texas, Wilma and Fred Johnson of Monterey and Debbie and Gary Cherry of McMinnville; son and daughter-in-law, George and Christine Ferrell of Florida; step-son, Ervin Miller of Shelbyville; step-daughters, Pat Cagle of McMinnville, Betty Keck of South Dakota, Judy Bishop of Bone Cave and Jimmie Smith of Morrison; 13 grandchildren; 15 step-grandchildren; 11 great-grandchildren; and 23 step-great-grandchildren.

Services will be held at 2 p.m. tomorrow at High Chapel with Vernon Caruthers officiating. Burial will follow at Gardens of Memory. Visitation will be held from 3 to 9 p.m. today and from 10 a.m. until the time of the service tomorrow.

High Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements.
Southern Standard
(McMinnville, Tenn.) Feb. 28, 2003

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:

social security application for a deceased person:
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on or
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try or ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA ( are transcribed at accessgenealogy.
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants can be found here:
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment

freedmen information:
many freedmen links on this webpage:

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
other resources are NARA

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
(Record Group 75)
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
some obituaries:

NARA federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
calculations about blood quantum:

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
oklahoma historical society
marriage records

other historical societies:
some oklahoma genealogical societies:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page

and this might be of interest to you:
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 18, 2012 and updated on December 18, 2012

was silvenia the first wife of charles hagerman?

1910 United States Federal Census about Selvina Hagerman
Name: Selvina Hagerman
[Silvina Hageman]
Age in 1910: 43
Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1910: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Charley Hageman
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charley Hagerman 74
Selvina Hagerman 43
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Antlers, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1271; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0265; ; FHL microfilm: 1375284.
this census record says they were married 13 years.

this form might also help you.

Cheryl Ferrell - Ponce Cheryl Ferrell - Ponce

posted on December 18, 2012

Thank you so much for all of this information. Richard Victor Ferrell is indeed my great uncle and his brother Allen is my grandfather. Thank you for the Dawes Roll number on Charles Hagerman. I have a birth certificate linking myself to my father and another linking my father to my grandfather Allen Ferrell. I am on and I do have the digital 1930 Census showing Lilly Ferrell as Allen Ferrell’s mother. I also have the digital 1990 census showing Charles Hagerman, Silvenia Hagerman and Lilly Hagerman. If I get the paper copy of these census’ with the Dawes Roll Card, the paper copy of Lilly’s Death certificate, and the birth certificates of my father and myself, will this be enough to apply for a CDIB or do I need a Dawes roll card on Lilly as well?

That was the death certificate that I attached to you, sorry, I should have sent it as a jpeg file.

Again thank you for all of this work. I really do appreciate it
Cheryl A. Ferrell Ponce

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 18, 2012

you need the link from allen ferrell to his father. the tribe may already have that link, so check with them. that link might also be in the dawes package.

you should get a copy of that dawes package: census card, application, enrollment documents, testimony. see oklahoma historical society or NARA for that. might have this online and one month’s subscription is cheaper than NARA or oklahoma historical society. i would say that getting this would be a high priority for you, so you know the foundation you are basing your possible enrollment.

from oklahoma historical society’s link given in my first post.
Last Name First Name Age Sex Blood Census Card No. Tribe & Enrollment
Hagerman Charles 67 Male I W CC# 5834 Page 121 Enr# 1186 Choctaws – by Intermarriage

try NARA’s website to see if you can find the page 121 for the dawes roll, choctaw tribe. you might want to find the people on the page to see if there are any associated people.

i do not know if lilly applied for enrollment or was accepted.
if she is allen’s mother, and if she did apply and was accepted, then her blood quantum would be added to the tribal blood quantum and increase the amount of tribal blood that you have. but if she did apply and was accepted, the tribe might also have that information.
see the frequently asked questions for enrollment services.

The CDIB application states I must provide a birth and/or death certicate for everyone in the lineage. How do I
know if the form I have is correct? As per BIA regulations we will need an ORIGINAL State Certied (full form)
birth/death certicate on all first-time applicants. If applying for a duplicate CDIB, we will only need to see a copy of the
certicate, both sides, if necessary. These certicates are issued through the states Department of Vital Statistics oce.
We cannot accept county, city, or hospital issued birth certicates. Do not go online for birth certicates.
Why am I asked to supply documents on family members who have already received their CDIB cards? Previously,
our office was not required to keep copies of these documents on le. We are now required to do so. It is possible
that some of the certicates are already on file in the CDIB offices. If you have received a letter requesting documentation,
then we have already researched and do not have them on le.

i do not know if this dawes record is based on silvenia or not. i suspect not.

the census is probably not helpful. birth and death certificates are likely helpful. marriage documents are likely helpful.

but as i said, you should try to find out what the tribe already has so that you know what to provide.