this post is a little scattered, which will hinder you with your research. organization will be important when you do your research. one of the problems is that you jumped a generation without giving the names of the parents.
there was a tribal type of government set up, it was a territory set aside for natives. and there were few other ways to marry in the territory. so, yes, there were non-natives on the marriage list.
i would advise you to gather documentation one generation at a time. look at multiple records and correlate those, so you get a better picture of your relations. since your post about may sivage gives her husband’s name as j. p. mckenna but lists no children,, gives no other dates (birth/death), that’s where i have to start. you don’t give any census records, showing migration. no death information.
John P Mckenna 34
May Mckenna 23
Gertrude L Mckenna 1
township 6 north range 25 east
john is a blacksmith, b. MI, father b. IRELAND mother b. MI, born march 1866. he owns the house free and clear.
may was b.august 1876 IA, father b. SC, mother b. IN.
gertrude b. april 1899 indian territory.
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Howe, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll T623_1851; Enumeration District: 88.
this is probably why you are having trouble with the indian records. this is a late migration from the southeast stats. maybe your family was not living on a reservation.
but you should pay close attention to the geographic locations and find if any tribes were nearby, the southeast.
the trail of tears was in the 1830’s from the southeastern reservations.
there are no mckennas on the dawes roll so she didn’t apply for enrollment.
but they were “taxed” and on the federal census, probably.
your best sources of native records are accessgenealogy and http://www.nara.gov
look on the side and bottom for other native records, such as databases and rolls, native census records, tribes by state.
your people did leave the native areas unofficially.
choctaw was not a written language until the middle of the 1850’s, and this is true of the other native languages. so there are no records there. the earliest records are trading post logs, war department census records and databases as they gave rations. you might find mention of your family in local history books. NARA has some records but some of those are native transliterated names.
John P Mckenna 64
May F Mckenna 53
William P Mckenna 20
George P Mckenna 18
Mildred Mckenna 16
Luella Mckenna 31
Julia Mcfadden 29
Margret Mcfadden 8
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Wilburton, Latimer, Oklahoma; Roll 1908; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 13; Image: 523.0.
julia mcfadden is a widowed daughter. all children b. OK
John Mckinnie 44
Mary F Mckinnie 33
Gertrude L Mckinnie 11
Julia Mckinnie 9
Frank J Mckinnie 7
Thomas H Mckinnie 3
George P Mckinnie 2/12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Howe Ward 4, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll T624_1258; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 152; Image: 418.
you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.
John Savage 46
Lucinda Savage 41
Leanna Savage 22
Matilda Savage 16
William Savage 14
Luella Savage 12
Ellis Savage 10
Lizzie Savage 7
Clara Savage 7
Estella Savage 6
May Savage 4
Hadley Savage 2
Nellie Bell Savage 2
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Union, Dallas, Iowa; Roll 335; Family History Film: 1254335; Page: 335D; Enumeration District: 54; Image: 0675.
her father says he was b. NC
both john and lucinda’s parents were b. NC.
the oldest 3 children were b. IN, luella and younger b. IA.
John Sivage 35
Lucinda Sivage 30
Jonathan Sivage 11
Sarah Sivage 9
Matilda Sivage 7
William Sivage 4
Mary Sivage 2
Ellis Sivage 6/12
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Union, Dallas, Iowa; Roll M593_385; Page: 611B; Image: 493; Family History Library Film: 545884.
i don’t know where the family is in 1860.
definitely check state archive records for each state where they lived.
genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.
first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.
the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.
2 ways to search: http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
this will let you enter partial names to get card#
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, email@example.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.
i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.
suzanne hamlet shatto