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Mr. B Mr. B

posted on October 14, 2012

My wife and I have been working on her CDIB application. We’re hoping to have the final piece next week.
We’ve tracked my wife’s lineage back to Sissie Hunter (roll 3082). Sissie’s daughter Siney (roll 3085) was my wife’s great grandmother. Anybody know anything about these two women?
Here’s what I do know:
Sissie married Charley Phillips in 1898 and again in 1899 so he could become Choctaw through intermarriage.
Sissie died in 1908 and is buried in Redland.
Charley died in 1938 and is also buried in Redland.
Siney had a daughter (Mary) with Claud Phillips in 1914. I have found no record indicating if they were married.
Claud Phillips was Charley’s brother (No blood relation to Siney. Charley was her stepfather).
Siney reportedly died in 1918, but I have found no burial location or record of her death.

Can anyone fill in the gaps? This has been a fun family to research and I really want to know more about them. Thanks.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 14, 2012

sissie hunter d. 1908 m. charley phillips d. 1938
siney ? d. 1918? m1. ? hunter m2. claud phillips
mary phillips b. 1914

this is the family group on the dawes roll. you should get a copy of the application, testimony, census card. NARA or oklahoma historical society would have it.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Hunter Lila 0 F 1136 P
Choctaw Hunter Payson 0 M 1136 P
Choctaw Hunter Siney 4 F FULL 1136 3085 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Hunter Silas 11 M FULL 1136 3084 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Jefferson Julius 0 M 1136 P
Choctaw Phillips Bob 0 M 1136 P
Choctaw Phillips Charley 0 M 1136 P
Choctaw Phillips Sallie 0 F 1136 P
Choctaw Phillips Lela 1 F 1/2 1136 3083 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Phillips Lizer 1 F 1/2 1136 3087 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Phillips Micheal R 1 M 1/2 1136 3086 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Phillips Sissie 26 F FULL 1136 3082 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Phillips Charley 27 M IW 1136 IW176 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Wilson Smith 0 M 1136 P
p=parent
bb=by blood

1900 United States Federal Census about Sissie Phillips
Name: Sissie Phillips
Age: 27
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Home in 1900: Township 7, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Chas E Phillips
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Chas E Phillips 25
Sissie Phillips 27
Lela Phillips 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 7, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1853; Enumeration District: 119; FHL microfilm: 1241853.

Name: Chas E Phillips
Age: 25
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1900: Township 7, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head

Name: Sissie Phillips
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1878
Age at Death: 29
Death Date: 1 Feb 1908
Burial Place: Redland (McCurtain County), McCurtain County, Oklahoma, USA
on findagrave.com

charles e. phillips
Birth: Jul. 12, 1873
Death: Mar. 1, 1938

Burial:
Redland Cemetery
Redland (McCurtain County)
McCurtain County
Oklahoma, USA

Name: Charley Philips
Age in 1910: 34
Birth Year: 1876
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1910: Township 3, McCurtain, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Minie Philips
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charley Philips 34
Minie Philips 18
Robert Philips 7
9
Lena Philips 3/12
0
Suzy Hunter 14
Claud Phileas 23
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Township 3, McCurtain, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1261; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 0181; Image: 855; FHL microfilm: 1375274.

1920 United States Federal Census about Charlie Philips
Name: Charlie Philips
Age: 47
Birth Year: abt 1873
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1920: Frisco, McCurtain, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Minnie Philips
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlie Philips 47
Minnie Philips 28
Robert Philips 19
Ozella Philips 7
Ida Philips 5
Iva Philips 4
[4 1/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Frisco, McCurtain, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1469; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 141; Image: 154.

you might search to see if any of your relatives gave interview for the oklahoma pioneer papers.
http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
the volumes are arranged alphabetically by surname.

mccurtain county on rootsweb.com
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okmccurt/mccurt.htm

1930 United States Federal Census about C E Phillipp
Name: C E Phillipp
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Mississippi
Race: White
Home in 1930: Frisco, Mccurtain, Oklahoma
View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Minie Phillipp
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
C E Phillipp 54
Minie Phillipp 38
Ozella Phillipp 17
Ida Phillipp 15
Iva Phillipp 14
Eula Phillipp 12
Ora Phillipp 4
Jack Phillipp 1
[1 5/12]

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Frisco, Mccurtain, Oklahoma; Roll: 1913; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 7; Image: 176.0; FHL microfilm: 2341647.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

the dawes packet could be filmed at fold3.com for online viewing. fold3 is a subscription website, but the monthly subscription is less than the cost of the dawes packet at the oklahoma historical society or NARA.
1136 (Philips, Sissie) › Page 18

You are here: Applications for Enrollment of the Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914 › Choctaw › Choctaw by Blood › 858-1177 › 1136 (Philips, Sissie) › Page 18

1136 is the family group #/card#

1136 (Philips, Sissie) › Page 24

You are here: Applications for Enrollment of the Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914 › Choctaw › Choctaw by Blood › 858-1177 › 1136 (Philips, Sissie) › Page 24

this message thread might pertain to your relative:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/ok/messages/31579.html

this information is on a family tree on ancestry.com

Siney Susie Hunter, Choctaw Full Blood
Birth 7 yrs. Dawes Roll 9-25-02 in Choctaw Nation
Death 1918 in Oklahoma, USA

i don’t know if this is the family tree that you have started.
the census card should show relationships between the people in the family group. the application and testimony will give you much information about your heritage.

historical newspapers might also help. see your local public library for that. oklahoma historical society and oklahoma state archives might also have some historical newspapers in the area.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=green&s_first=mart&s_middle=&s_tribe=
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
many freedmen links on this webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Mr. B Mr. B

posted on October 14, 2012 and updated on October 14, 2012

Thanks for thevreply.

Card 1136 is concerned primarily with the application of Charley Philips for citizenship by intermarriage. It contains his 1899 marriage certificate to Sissie, applications for their three children (Lela, Michael, and Lizer), his interview with the commission about the marriage (a fun bit of reading that I have been inspired to illustrate), and Sissie’s interview about the marriage.

It does not contain information about Sissie other than her age and her marriage to Charley. It only mentions her other children (Siney and Silas) in Charley’s interview when he’s asked if he knows their father.

Interesting side note: Charley says in the interview that he believes the father of Sissie’s older children may be Smith Wilson or a man named Jefferson. There is a Smith Wilson and a Julius Jefferson on the card information, and if I’m not mistaken, they are listed as parents.

Mr. B Mr. B

posted on October 14, 2012

Just found a copy of the census card. Payson and Lila are Sissie’s parents. Julius Jefferson is the father of Silas, and Smith Wilson is the father of Siney.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 15, 2012

this appears to be smith wilson’s dawes record: Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Achinota 0 M 1143 P
Choctaw Wade Nancy 0 F 1143 P
Choctaw Wilson Reuben 0 M 1143 P
Choctaw Wilson Charley 17 M FULL 1143 14640 JANIS BB
Choctaw Wilson David 21 M FULL 1143 3101 JANIS BB
Choctaw Wilson Michael 22 M FULL 1143 3100 JANIS BB
Choctaw Wilson Beckie 25 F FULL 1143 3099 JANIS BB
Choctaw Wilson Smith 28 M FULL 1143 3098 JANIS BB
Choctaw Wilson Siltrina 54 F FULL 1143 JANIS BB

and this might be julius jefferson’s dawes card:
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Ish Ta La Ma 0 F 1202 P
Choctaw Jefferson Adam 0 M 1202 P
Choctaw Jefferson Anna 1 F FULL 1202 3264 JANIS BB
Choctaw Jefferson Solomon 2 M FULL 1202 3263 JANIS BB
Choctaw Jefferson Simpson 4 M FULL 1202 15659 JANIS BB
Choctaw Jefferson Cathrine 6 F FULL 1202 3262 JANIS BB
Choctaw Jefferson Maggie 8 F FULL 1202 3261 JANIS BB
Choctaw Jefferson Winnie 25 F FULL 1202 3260 JANIS BB
Choctaw Jefferson Julius 33 M FULL 1202 3259 JANIS BB
Choctaw Tishka Felin 0 M 1202 P
Choctaw Tushka Silway 0 F 1202 P