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cook cook

posted on September 25, 2012

looking for more info on my Great Grandfather Edgar Wand. he was born June 12, 1871 and died april 27, 1948. Still working on his birth certificate. Do not know who his parents were and need to know where he and his parents were born. i know he was from Antlers. he married a Hattie Lewis. i just need to know more about edgars lineage like what ribe he was from. I Think he was choctaw but might have been creek or another tribe so idk. A precise birth or parents name would help alot. Here is a picture of him.

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suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 25, 2012

no wands on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. oklahoma became a state in 1907.

get the census records, birth record and death record first. if you get stuck on his information, he would have filled out a social security application 1/1/1937 and submitted a birth record to show proof of age. you would need an ss-5 for that.
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

on birth record, ask for a delayed birth certificate as well as a birth certificate, from missouri state vital records or missouri state archives or missouri historical society.

1910 United States Federal Census about Edgar Waud
Name: Edgar Waud
[Edgar Wond]
[Edgar Wand]
Age in 1910: 32
Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: Gilkey, Yell, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: John Zpainbour
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Tilda Zpainbour
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Zpainbour 46
Tilda Zpainbour 66
Edgar Waud 32
Don Kill 14
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Gilkey, Yell, Arkansas; Roll: T624_68; Page: 31B; Enumeration District: 0168; Image: 811; FHL microfilm: 1374081.

1880 United States Federal Census about Eddy Wand
Name: Eddy Wand
Age: 1
Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1880: Independence, Baxter, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: James Wand
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Matilda Wand
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wand 27
Matilda Wand 26
Eddy Wand 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Independence, Baxter, Arkansas; Roll: 38; Family History Film: 1254038; Page: 255B; Enumeration District: 006; Image: 0515.

1880 United States Federal Census about Matilda Wand
Name: Matilda Wand
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1854
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1880: Independence, Baxter, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married

Birth: Jun. 12, 1871, USA
Death: Apr. 27, 1948
Oklahoma, USA

Edgar E. Wand was born June 12, 1871. He died in Oklahoma on April 27, 1948. He is buried in Cole Spur Cemetery in Pushmataha county, Oklahoma.

Headstone photo was taken by Tonia Holleman.

Contributed to Find A Grave by Tonia Holleman and Angela Y. Walton-Raji, who have been on a project of documenting and photographing headstones in cemeteries in Arkansas and Oklahoma. If you have any additional information or corrections you can contact Tonia at toniah904@aol.com.

Burial:
Cole Spur Cemetery
Pushmataha County
Oklahoma, USA
findagrave.com

you should probably start with the death certificate and work backwards in time.

he might have records in missouri and the missouri state archives are excellent. they have some records online.
http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/
archives and records
missouri state archives
research and records
then online records

you should look at the location of the family 1830-1930 and then look for nearby tribes. location is a major factor in tribal affiliation.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=green&s_first=mart&s_middle=&s_tribe=
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

cook cook

posted on September 26, 2012 and updated on September 26, 2012

question. How are you getting Missouri? Im getting Arkanss alot. If he was born in arkansas, how will i get a birth record? I have his death date in antlers how would i retrive that? also did u see the pic? i know you cant really tell what a person is just by looking at him, but what do u think he is or mixed with? Also what kind of surname is Wand? How do u enroll in a tribe or know what tribe
They were from?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 26, 2012

i have no idea about the picture. the picture link does not work. but the picture is immaterial.

tribal heritage and tribal enrollment are two different topics.

this is where i get missouri:
1910 United States Federal Census about Edgar Waud
Name: Edgar Waud
[Edgar Wond]
[Edgar Wand]
Age in 1910: 32
Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: Gilkey, Yell, Arkansas

you can go ahead and apply to arkansas for a birth record if you want, but they will take your $ for the search and you might not get a document.

start with the death and go backwards. you should contact the oklahoma vital records for a death record.
http://vr.health.ok.gov/

location is a major consideration in tribal affiliation. you have to find out where your family lived in order to find a tribe that they might have enrolled in. then you would have to find out what the membership requirements of that tribe are.

i have no idea about the wand surname.

many natives did not enroll in a tribe. this is not unusual.

shaine shaine

posted on December 5, 2012

On his 1917-20 Draft card it had Jane miller as a nearest
Relative. I finally got his Death Certificate. It lists Jane Miller as his
Mother. But I can’t find. Anything else on her.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 5, 2012

did it list his birthdate and birthplace? that state’s archives or state vital records might have a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate.

do you have his obituary? that might also have information about his parents. see your local public library/interlibrary loan program for this. (this is the cheapest thing to get because it is usually free through your library).

do you have a cemetery record? sometimes people post obituaries or other information. try findagrave.com or interment.net to see if there is an online record. call the cemetery and see if they have information. sometimes headstones have names of parents. this would also be cheap or free. and rootsweb.com might have a cemetery record in the county/state where he passed. or a birth record in an index in the state/county where he was born.

his social security application would also have information about his parents. there is a cost for filing an SS-5 application.

if you ask the state vital records for a birth record, also ask for a delayed birth certificate. many people filed these for the 1/1/1937 social security application so that they could show proof of age. if you ask for both documents at the time that you request it, often they will look for the one filed by birthdate and then look for another delayed record that is filed later.

you didn’t say where he was born. some of those world war I documents have birthdate/birthplace and some don’t.

you get a copy of the child’s documents and then you might have more information on the parents.

suzanne hamlet shatto

shaine shaine

posted on December 19, 2012

Yes it does not give Where he was Born Exactly, ancestry gives Multiple Places and his Death certificate Says Unknown. He was On the 1920 census being Married Living in Tuskahoma with Hattie Lewis. I can’t find any more records on him prior to the 1920 census. His mothers name was Jane miller and I have no Info nor can’t find any on her. And do not know fathers name.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 20, 2012

so you didn’t look at the census records that i posted in reply?

whatever it says on his social security application would be what he had submitted as his birth record.

i do not know where he was born. census is only a self-report type of record.

ancestry.com gives access to state and federal records.

what are you trying to find?
there are many tribes. you have to know where his family lived 1830-1930 or so. then you look for nearby tribes.

i start with the death and go backwards.
i do not understand “Yes it does not give Where he was Born Exactly”.

have you contacted the cemetery?

Birth: Jun. 12, 1871, USA
Death: Apr. 27, 1948
Oklahoma, USA

Edgar E. Wand was born June 12, 1871. He died in Oklahoma on April 27, 1948. He is buried in Cole Spur Cemetery in Pushmataha county, Oklahoma.

Headstone photo was taken by Tonia Holleman.

Contributed to Find A Grave by Tonia Holleman and Angela Y. Walton-Raji, who have been on a project of documenting and photographing headstones in cemeteries in Arkansas and Oklahoma. If you have any additional information or corrections you can contact Tonia at toniah904@aol.com.

Burial:
Cole Spur Cemetery
Pushmataha County
Oklahoma, USA

the 1920 census record says this:

1920 United States Federal Census about Ed Wand
Name: Ed Wand
[Ed Waud]
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1920: Tuskahoma, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Hattie Wand
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ed Wand 40
Hattie Wand 31
Oliver Wand 9
Earl Wand 7
Lela Wand 4
[4 1/12]
Alice Wand 1
[1 2/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Tuskahoma, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 18A; Enumeration District: 235; Image: 700.

http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
to file a SS-5.

they rent a house in the 1920 census, so it is doubtful that they were allotted land and probably didn’t apply for enrollment.

the reason that you find the records so confusing is probably that there is more than one person who has that name.

if you say the 1920 census is YOUR relative, then you should pursue that person’s records, not someone with the same or similar name.