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Looking for information on JM and Fanny King Dandridge

Sherrill simpson Murray Sherrill simpson Murray

posted on August 9, 2012

I am in search of information on my great-grandparents James Montgomery Dandridge born Oct 7, 1842 in Moulton, AL. and Fanny King Dandridge borm Apr 14, 1863 in Lockhart, TX. JM and Fanny were married Apr 14, 1886 in Paris, TX. JM died Mar 29, 1930 in Bentley, OK. Fanny died Nov 1896. Their daughter, Tempa Lee Dandridge Simpson is my paternal grandmother. Tempa was born Feb 19, 1890 and died July 18, 1980. I would like to know who Fanny’s parents were, where they lived and if she had siblings. Thank you for any information you would share with me.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 10, 2012

you might look for historical newspaper mentions, such as obituaries. see your local public library/interlibrary loan program. the state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.

do you have a cemetery record? try findagrave.com or interment.net. and rootsweb has some county information on their county website page.

the death certificate might be at state vital records or county vital records. old vital records might be at state archives or state historical society.

no location for tempa in your post. no spouse for her.

1910 United States Federal Census about Tempa Dandridge
Name: Tempa Dandridge
Age in 1910: 20
Birth Year: 1890
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1910: Lewis, Atoka, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: J M Dandridge
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Name: M C Dandridge
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
J M Dandridge 61
67
M C Dandridge 53
Tempa Dandridge 20
Early Dandridge 11
Robert T Dandridge 37
Robert G Dandridge 5
Earnest Lienty 23
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Lewis, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1242; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 0007; Image: 1044; FHL microfilm: 1375255.

j. m. dandridge, head, white male, age 69 mknownarried 13 years b. AL, father b. VA, mother b. unknown, farmer, reads and writes, rents the farm
m. c., wife, female white, age 53, had 6 children but only 5 survive, b. TX, parents b. unknown, reads and writes.
tempa, daughter, white female, age 20, single, b. TX, father b. AL, mother b. TX, farmer, reads and writes.
early?, son, white male, age 11, single, b. OK, father b. AL, mother b. TX, laborer, reads and writes
robert l., son, white male, age 37, widower, b. AR, father b. Al, mother b. TX, laborer, reads and writes
robert f., stepson, white male, age 5, single, b. OK, father b. AR, mother b. TX, reads and writes
earnest lunty, stepson, white male, age 13, single, b. TX, father b. AR, mother b. TX

1920 United States Federal Census about Tempa Simpson
Name: Tempa Simpson
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1891
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1920: Fitzhugh, Pontotoc, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: William T Simpson
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William T Simpson 32
Tempa Simpson 29
Mamie Simpson 7
Lola Simpson 5
Raymond Simpson 0
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Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Fitzhugh, Pontotoc, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 177; Image: 122

1900 United States Federal Census about Mary C Dandridge
Name: Mary C Dandridge
Age: 44
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1900: Township 5, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: James Dandridge
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Dandridge 50
Mary C Dandridge 44
Rowell L Dandridge 21
Fannie D Dandridge 16
Earnest J Dandridge 13
Osker D Dandridge 13
William Dandridge 11
Tenny Dandridge 10
Lula Dandridge 8
Earley Dandridge 7/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 5, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1853; Enumeration District: 183; FHL microfilm: 1241853.

j. m. dandridge, white male, b. oct 1848? married 25 years, b. MS, parents b. MS, farmer, reads and writes, rents the farm
mary c., wife, white female, b. aug. 1857, married 25 years?, had 7 children and all survive, b. TX, parents b. TN, reads and writes
robert l., son, white male, b. dec. 1875, single, b. TX, parents b. MS, farmer, reads and writes
frannie, daughter, white female, b. nov. 1883, age 16, single, b. AR, father b. MS, mother b. TX, reads and writes
earnest, son, white male, b. may 1885?, single, b. TX, father b. MS, mother b. TX, farmer, reads but doesn’t write
osker d., son, white male, b. feb. 1886?, single, b. TX, father b. MS, mother b. TX, reads but doesn’t write
william, son, white male, b. aug. 1889, age 11, single, b. TX, father b. MS, mother b. TX, farmer, reads but doesn’t write
tenny, daughter, white female, b. feb. 1890, age 10, single, b. TX, father b. MS, mother b. TX, doesn’t read or write
lula, daughter, whote female, b. feb. 1892, age 8, single, b. indian territory, father b. MS, mother b. TX
earley, son, white male, b. oct 1899, age 7 months, single, b. indian territory, father b. MS, mother b. TX

i don’t see your fannie king here.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=green&s_first=mart&s_middle=&s_tribe=
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto