Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma

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looking for my great grandmother

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posted on June 12, 2012

She was a full blooded Choctaw Indian living around Sturgis, Mississippi in the late 1800s or early 1900s. Her maiden name was Leona Allen; married name was Ivy. Her son, my grandfather was William Fred Lester Ivy.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 12, 2012

leona allen m. ? ivy
william fred lester ivy.

no dates or locations for william fred lester ivy. no dates for leona allen.
no spouse in your post.

found this record by accident. it’s a start.

Mississippi Marriages, 1776-1935 about Leona Allen
Name: Leona Allen
Spouse: William Ivy
Marriage Date: 13 Nov 1894
County: Oktibbeha

the family is on the 1900 census, but leona is listed in the index as separate from william, although they are all in the same household.
1900 United States Federal Census about W J H Ivy
Name: W J H Ivy
[W J H Coy]
Age: 30
Birth Date: Sep 1869
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1900: Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi
[Okibbeha, Mississippi]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Marriage Year: 1894
Years Married: 6
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: South Carolina
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
W J H Ivy 30
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi; Roll: 823; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 92; FHL microfilm: 1240823.

1900 United States Federal Census about Leona Ivy
Name: Leona Ivy
[Lorna Coy]
Age: 27
Birth Date: Nov 1872
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1900: Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi
[Okibbeha, Mississippi]
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Marriage Year: 1894
Years Married: 6
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother: number of living children: 3
Mother: How many children: 3
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Leona Ivy 27

i see that someone corrected these names, but i would bet that they are unrelated to the family, just trying to make sense of the listing.
you can submit a name correction so that others can find your family.

Record Joseph C Ivy Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi Jan 1895 Mississippi Son
View Record Allie W Ivy Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi Jul 1897 Mississippi Son
View Record Ollie V Ivy Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi Nov 1899 Mississippi Daughter

1910 United States Federal Census about Leona Iney
Name: Leona Iney
[Leona Ivey]
Age in 1910: 38
Birth Year: 1872
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1910: Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Willie H Iney
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Willie H Iney 41
Leona Iney 38
Joe Iney 14
Allen Iney 12
Lester Iney 9
Aloa Iney 6
Bessie May Iney 3
Valrede Iney 1 4/12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Beat 4, Oktibbeha, Mississippi; Roll: T624_754; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 0101; Image: 1077; FHL microfilm: 1374767.

you should find the 1920-1940 census records. the 1940 census is public information but may not yet be indexed on however, if you know where they lived, you might be able to find them by location.

it appears that your family, if native, might have applied for enrollment with the mississippi choctaw tribe. link is in this post. this is the website of the oklahoma choctaw tribe.

there are requirements for membership in each tribe and some people did not apply because they knew they could not 1) prove heritage, 2) didn’t qualify for membership, or 3) were opposed to tribal enrollment.

childrens’ records point to the parents and fix a family to a location and date. so start with william fred lester ivy and gather documents and then you can go back in time to find documents on his parents.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:

social security application for a deceased person:
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on or
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try or ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA ( are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
other resources are NARA

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
(Record Group 75)
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
some obituaries:

NARA federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
calculations about blood quantum:

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
oklahoma historical society
marriage records

other historical societies:
some oklahoma genealogical societies:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page

and this might be of interest to you:
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

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posted on June 12, 2012

Thank you so much Suzanne! I have found out that my grandmother died in 1951 and was buried in the Wake Forrest Cemetary in Sturgis, MS. Her father’s name was Crow Allen who was on the 1860 census as living in Choctaw county in MS. He was born in 1830 in Alabama I think and his spouses married name was Magaret Allen also born in 1830 in Alabama. Gosh I am excited! If you have any more helpful hints please let me know. Thanks a million and one!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 13, 2012

this land record was a cash purchase, not a choctaw land grant in lieu of tribal enrollment.

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907 about Crowley Allen
Name: Crowley Allen
Issue Date: 1 May 1860
State of Record: Mississippi
Acres: 40.4
Accession Number: MS1640__.277
Metes and Bounds: No
Land Office: Columbus
Canceled: No
US Reservations: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Authority: April 24, 1820: Sale-Cash Entry (3 Stat. 566)
Document Number: 40726
Legal Land Description:
Section Twp Range Meridian Counties
24 18-N 11-E Choctaw Choctaw

this record would be at NARA
there would be a land package there.

1860 United States Federal Census about Crow Allen
Name: Crow Allen
Age in 1860: 23
Birth Year: abt 1837
Birthplace: South Carolina
Home in 1860: Township 18, Choctaw, Mississippi
Gender: Male
Post Office: Dido
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Crow Allen 23
Margaret M Allen 21
Manurva J Allen 3
Mary F Allen 1
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Township 18, Choctaw, Mississippi; Roll: M653_579; Page: 263; Image: 269; Family History Library Film: 803579.

you should contact the mississippi tribes. location is a primary factor in tribal affiliation.
so far, i don’t see that the family is native.

1870 United States Federal Census about C Allen
Name: C Allen
Age in 1870: 35
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: South Carolina
Home in 1870: Township 18 Range 11, Choctaw, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Dido
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
C Allen 35
Margaret Allen 32
Manerva J Allen 13
Martha M Allen 9
Edwin A Allen 5
Francis A Allen 3
Naona Allen 1
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Township 18 Range 11, Choctaw, Mississippi; Roll: M593_725; Page: 459B; Image: 418; Family History Library Film: 552224.

i don’t know if margaret (surname unknown) is native, but the census indicates that they were living off-reservation.

1880 United States Federal Census about Nannie Allen
Name: Nannie Allen
Age: 1
Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1880: Oktibbeha, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Crow Allen
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s name: Margaret Allen
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama
Neighbors: View others on page
Cannot read/write:


Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Crow Allen 50
Margaret Allen 39
Minerva J. Allen 21
Martha M. Allen 19
Edwin O. Allen 16
Minnie Allen 13
Lula Allen 12
Sarah E. Allen 8
Eldora Allen 6
Samuel M. Allen 3
Nannie Allen 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Oktibbeha, Mississippi; Roll: 660; Family History Film: 1254660; Page: 406B; Enumeration District: 149; .

check also with the MOWA tribe of AL.

leona lula Allen
Birth 15 Nov 1872 in Oktibbeha, Mississippi, United States
Death 14 Aug 1951 in Starkville, Oktibbeha, Mississippi, United States