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Johnnie Ann Lyles

Keith Pearson Keith Pearson

posted on August 22, 2010

Looking for ancestors of JohnAnn (Johnnie Ann) Lyles, born 10 Feb 1861 in Hackett City, Sebastian Co., Arkansas. Father was John W. Lyles and Mother Mary M. Mickle. Johnnie Ann was an original enrollee for Choctaw Nation.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 23, 2010

but who was her spouse? who were her children?
where did she pass away and when?

johnnie ann lyles b. 2/10/1861 sebastian county, AR d. 11/25/1948 garvin county, OK
m.
this might be her:
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Folsom Edwar 0 M 2761 P
Choctaw Folsom Annie 18 F 9/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Lyles John W 0 M 2761 P
Choctaw Lyles Mary 0 F 2761 P
Choctaw Thornton T V 0 M 2761 P
Choctaw Thornton Jessie W 1 F 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton Mabell 1 F 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton Eureka 2 F 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton Frederick 4 M 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton Maud 6 F 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton Beulah 8 F 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton John V 11 M 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton Paralee 13 F 1/32 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thornton Johnnie A 38 F 1/16 2761 NR SPIRO BB
Choctaw Thronton John V 0 M 2761 P
bb=by blood
p=parent

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/e/a/Keith-H-Pearson/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0090.html

have you received the enrollment application, census card. maybe look for the testimony on google because there is a possible mention in a google book about the dawes roll.

John Thornton 63
Johnnie Thornton 39
Annie Falsome 19
Parilee Thornton 14
John Thornton 12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 9, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll T623_1850; Enumeration District: 179.
pages 15B and 16A
john thornton b. feb. 1857 TN father b. TN, mother b. unknown
johnnie ann b. feb 1861 AR father b. AL mother b. TN
johnnie says she’s 31/32 white, 1/32 choctaw.
johnnie’s roll # is 18084
i realize the dawes rolll gives her 1/16 choctaw blood.

son:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about John V Thornton
Name: John V Thornton
County: Garvin
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Oklahoma;United States of America
Birth Date: 9 May 1888
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1851777
DraftBoard: 0

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Elmore, Garvin, Oklahoma; Roll T625_1464; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 26; Image: 156.

you can check the native rolls and databases, census record for the tribe at this link.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

there are going to be few records on the native side. choctaw wasn’t a written language until the middle of the 1800’s. and the war department was keeping records from the 1800-1880 area.

you might have better luck with history books, newspaper mentions, federal census records.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Keith Pearson Keith Pearson

posted on September 29, 2010

Suzanne,
Thank you for your reply. The information you provided is my family. I understand the difficulty in tracing Native Americans since they weren’t considered “people”. The Dawes card information is new to me. I will follow up on that information. I will also e-mail you for the Choctaw Resource list you offered.
Thanks,
Keith

Lixliz Lixliz

posted on January 16, 2011 and updated on January 16, 2011

I am really interested in the Lyles family. I think that my great Grandfather, T. Stephens married a Martha Lyles. They produced several children, one is my Grand father J.H. Stephens who married Annie Mae Allen. She was born in 1880 to Jess Allen and Sarah C.Evans. . Maybe these are the same Lyles???

HELEN HRBACEK HELEN HRBACEK

posted on February 24, 2011

I AM SEARCHING FOR POSSIBLE CHOCTAW LINIAGE, MY GGRANDMOTHER WAS JURETIA ADALINE CONLEY AND MARRIED ABRAHAM ALLEN PUCKETT, MARY ANN’S GRANDPARENTS ON HER MOTHER’S SIDE ARE ARCHIBALD CONLEY AND ANNA HARPER, I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THEY WERE CHOCTAW INSTEAD OF CHEROKEE, THEY COULD HAVE CAME FROM S. CAROLINA, TENNESSEE, ALABAMA OR TEXAS, NO NO OTHER HISTORY, I DO KNOW I HAD A GREAT AUNT THAT LIVED IN FT. TOWNSON, OKLAHOMA AND HER NAME WAS BABE WOODLEY, DO NOT KNOW OF THE DAUGHTER WHOM SHE STAYED WITH, SHE ALSO HAD A FEW OTHER RELATIVES IN FT. TOWNSON WHICH WAS JEWELL DERRYBERRY, JANIE CARPENTER, SUSIE CARPENTER & SUSIE CARPENTER HAD A DAUGHTER BY THE NAME OF EDITH, ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 25, 2011

you should start a new thread instead of adding to a thread about someone else’s family. i didn’t see these posts until now. i try to answer all of the posts on this board. with new posts, others can find your inquiry too.

i cannot answer lixliz’s inquiry because these are common surnames and there is not enough information in the post, such as children, locations, dates.

as far as helen’s question.

juretia adaline conley m. abraham allen puckett.
but i don’t know who mary ann is either.
archibald conley m. anna harper.

this might be the jewell derryberry:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Jewell Derryberry
Name: Jewell Derryberry
Home in 1930: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma
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Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Everett Derryberry
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Everett Derryberry 41
Jewell Derryberry 32
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma; Roll: 1897; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 26; Image: 1000.0.
Social Security Death Index
about Jewel M. Derryberry
Name: Jewel M. Derryberry
SSN: 440-52-4042
Last Residence: 74735 Fort Towson, Choctaw, Oklahoma, United States of America
Born: 18 Jan 1897
Died: 15 May 1972
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (1965)

there might be an obituary. see your local public library for that, through the interlibrary loan program.

the other names might be maiden names or married names and they are very common.

i saw nothing under babe woodley, but babe could be a nickname.

i don’t see juretia conley puckett on the dawes roll.
you have no dates and vague locations for her. i will try.

1850 United States Federal Census
about Jureta A Puckett
Name: Jureta A Puckett
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Birth Place: Tennessee
Gender: Female
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): District 10, Jefferson, Illinois
Family Number: 961
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Puckett 30
Jureta A Puckett 22
James Puckett 7
Mary A Puckett 4
Franser Puckett 2
Ann Puckett 64
James Puckett 71
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: District 10, Jefferson, Illinois; Roll: M432_110; Page: 372B; Image: 474.

1860 United States Federal Census
about Juretin A Pucket
Name: Juretin A Pucket
Age in 1860: 33
Birth Year: abt 1827
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1860: Township 4 S Range 3 E, Jefferson, Illinois
Gender: Female
Post Office: Spring Garden
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Pucket 41
Juretin A Pucket 33
James A Pucket 17
Mary A Pucket 14
Susan F Pucket 12
Rhoda E Pucket 10
Wiley F Pucket 7
Adolphus T Pucket 5
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Township 4 S Range 3 E, Jefferson, Illinois; Roll: M653_187; Page: 971; Image: 408; Family History Library Film: 803187.

all the children are b. IL
Name: Abraham Pucket
Age in 1860: 41
Birth Year: abt 1819
Birthplace: Tennessee

Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934
about Abraham Puckett
Name: Abraham Puckett
State Filed: Illinois
Widow: Juretra A. Puckett
this file will have a lot of genealogical information in it. you should request this from NARA http://www.nara.gov

American Civil War Soldiers
about Abraham Puckett
Name: Abraham Puckett
Residence: Spring Garden, Illinois
Enlistment Date: 15 Nov 1861
Side Served: Union
State Served: Illinois
Death Date: 15 Jul 1906
Service Record: Enlisted as a Sergeant on 15 November 1861.
Enlisted in Company I, 60th Infantry Regiment Illinois on 17 Feb 1862.
Received a disability discharge from Company I, 60th Infantry Regiment Illinois on 6 Sep 1862.
Sources: 7,330

U.S. Civil War Soldier Records and Profiles
about Abraham Puckett
Name: Abraham Puckett
Residence: Spring Garden, Illinois
Enlistment Date: 15 Nov 1861
Rank at enlistment: Sergeant
State Served: Illinois
Survived the War?: Yes
Service Record: Enlisted in Company I, Illinois 60th Infantry Regiment on 17 Feb 1862.
Mustered out on 06 Sep 1862.
Death Date: 15 Jul 1906
Sources: Illinois: Roster of Officers and Enlisted Men
GAR Dept of Illinois: Death Rolls

1870 United States Federal Census
about Abraham Puckett
Name: Abraham Puckett
Birth Year: abt 1819
Age in 1870: 51
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1870: Four Mile, Wayne, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Puckett 51
Mary A Carroll 24
Laura V Carroll 4
James H Carroll 2
Wiley Puckett 17
Adolphus Puckett 15
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Four Mile, Wayne, Illinois; Roll: M593_288; Page: 138A; Image: 279; Family History Library Film: 545787.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Abram Puckett
Name: Abram Puckett
Home in 1900: Mount Vernon, Jefferson, Illinois
[Jefferson, Illinois]
Age: 81
Birth Date: Apr 1819
Birthplace: Tennessee
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s Birthplace: N Carolina
Spouse’s Name: Juretia A Puckett
Marriage Year: 1843
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 57
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Abram Puckett 81
Juretia A Puckett 72
Minnie L Irvin 31
Ray M Irvin 11
Gladys M Irvin 5
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Mount Vernon, Jefferson, Illinois; Roll: T623_309; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 78.

Illinois State Census Collection, 1825-1865
about Abraham Pucket
Name: Abraham Pucket
Census Date: 3 Jul 1865
Residence State: Illinois
Residence County: Jefferson
Residence Township: Township 4

this might be that family in 1880:
1880 United States Federal Census
about G. H. Puckett
Name: G. H. Puckett
Home in 1880: Spring Garden, Jefferson, Illinois
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Birthplace: Tennessee
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Father’s birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s birthplace: North Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farming
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

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Household Members:
Name Age
G. H. Puckett 62
M. A. Puckett 44
S. L. Puckett 31
W. H. Harp 22
W. E. Harp 20
L. O. Puckett 16
G. H. Puckett 14
N. E. Puckett 11
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Spring Garden, Jefferson, Illinois; Roll: 216; Family History Film: 1254216; Page: 568A; Enumeration District: 50; Image: 0096.

since the family lived in IL, they probably didn’t attempt to enroll in a tribe. enrollment is the only time natives disclosed their heritage.

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907
about Abraham Puckett
Name: Abraham Puckett
Issue Date: 10 Nov 1855
State of Record: Illinois
Acres: 128.32
Accession Number: IL1980__.314
Metes and Bounds: No
Land Office: Shawneetown
Canceled: No
US Reservations: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Authority: April 24, 1820: Sale-Cash Entry (3 Stat. 566)
Document Number: 22336
Legal Land Description:
Section Twp Range Meridian Counties
1 4-S 3-E 3rd PM Jefferson
1 4-S 3-E 3rd PM Jefferson
1 4-S 3-E 3rd PM Jefferson

you should look up this land record.
http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/
land patent.

there are several family trees posted on ancestry.com about juretia conley. you should contact any who posts about your family.

the illinois state archives might be helpful to you.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Lixliz Lixliz

posted on March 9, 2011 and updated on March 9, 2011

Johnnie,

Yes, the Lyles family is the same. A..Stephens and M. Lyles produced John H Stephens. He married Annie Mae Allen, daughter of Jesse Allen and Sarah C. Evans. Bird Alexander Stephens, Calaway Stephens are also of this family. I cannot find any information on Jesse Allen, other than he was in Lamar Co. Chicota, Tx in 1880 When my Grandmother was born. I think his Mothers’name was Lizzie Allen of Creek, Ok.

Lixliz Lixliz

posted on March 9, 2011

I have been doing some more research and I find that Lizzie Allen, Mother of Jesse Allen, was a full blood Creek Indian, listed in a census in Creek, Oklahoma. I cannot find who she married. There are numerous folks listed on the Dawes roll. James, Lucinda, Joseph, Ada, Roy Annie, Ella Abraham. I cannot find where they came from or who she was married to. Any help would be appreciated.

Lixliz Lixliz

posted on March 9, 2011 and updated on March 9, 2011

I also find several Evans listed on the Dawes roll., My great Grandmother was Sarah Catherine Evans. Think her Fathers’ name was T.B. Too many loose ends.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 10, 2011

you should start a new thread and i will try to find them.
it is useful for you to have approximate dates of birth/death, location, children and spouse.
please describe research, where you have found them.
allen is a very common surname.

1880 United States Federal Census
about Sarah C. Allen
Name: Sarah C. Allen
[Sarah C. Eavans]
Home in 1880: Precinct 5, Lamar, Texas
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Birthplace: Georgia
Relation to Head of Household: Dau (Daughter)
Father’s Name: T. B. Eavans
Father’s birthplace: South Carolina
Mother’s Name: Hester J. Eavans
Mother’s birthplace: South Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: H. C.
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
T. B. Eavans 49
Hester J. Eavans 45
Francis E. Eavans 22
Eliza I. Eavans 21
James H. Eavans 20
Lucind M. Eavans 15
Charlota M. Eavans 12
Silas H. Eavans 9
Luler I. Eavans 7
Girda M. Eavans 2
J. G. Allen 26
Sarah C. Allen 18
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 5, Lamar, Texas; Roll: 1314; Family History Film: 1255314; Page: 180A; Enumeration District: 79; .
someone misspelled evans when they correct the ancestry name index. i think you should correct it again, so that others can find your family.

jesse was b.~1854 LA,
this page is difficult to read and i reported that to ancestry.
you might look this up on heritage quest to get a better look at it.
there is an emeline allen on this page, age 41, b. LA, parents b. LA.
jesse and sarah seem to have been given a household #, so maybe they had a place on the farm.

i don’t know if this is his family. you will have to compare the 1880 and 1870 census information since i can hardly read it.

1870 United States Federal Census
about Jane Allen
Name: Jane Allen
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age in 1870: 32
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1870: Beat 3, Lamar, Texas
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Allen 44
Jane Allen 32
Amanda Allen 17
Dock Allen 13
George Allen 9
Mat Allen 8
Faylor Allen 5
Molley Allen 3
Ida Allen 1
Jessie Allen 16
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Beat 3, Lamar, Texas; Roll: M593_1594; Page: 305B; Image: 614; Family History Library Film: 553093.

i don’t know why the LA in 1880 and TX in 1870 either. but this appears to be the best match.

another unreadable page, and i reported that to ancestry also.

i’m going to stop here. i just don’t have enough information.

see the posts above, where i list resources.

suzanne hamlet shatto