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Lillian Belle Cruse - Chris and Nettie Rose

Barb Fortner Barb Fortner

posted on June 2, 2012

Attempting to find information on my grandmother (Lillian Belle Cruse). She was born in 1895 (I believe on Indian Nation Territory). Her parents both died when she was a toddler. She was raised by Ma and Pa Rose (Chris (Clinsa) and Nettie Rose. One of her sisters was Ida and her brother was Lawrence. She is not listed on the 1900 census, as is her sister Ida. I believe the 1910 census lists both Ida and Lawrence, but not Lillian. She married W. G. (Matthew) Fortner and had 4 sons; Desmond, John (Jack), Robert, and another son who died in infancy.

Hope someone can help. Thank you.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 2, 2012

this surname could be spelled variously.

have you looked at her social security application? that might help you with dates and locations and parents’ names. she would have had to submit a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate to show proof of age. the birth certificate or delayed birth certificate would be found at state vital records and county vital records, ask for both documents.

it occurs to me that this surname might be spelled variously.

1900 United States Federal Census about Ida E Cruse
Name: Ida E Cruse
Age: 9
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Home in 1900: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Niece
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Chris Rose 36
Nettie A Rose 26
Chas C Rose 11
Della M Rose 10
Otto Rose 6
Oceola Rose 5
John Ward
Chester Ward
William E Ward
Elmer O Ward
John M Ward
Mary L Owens
Cordelia Owens
Patti Owens
Lucy Wilson
Sarah Noah
Lee Robinson
Nettie A Rose
Chas C Rose
Della M Rose
Otto Rose
Oceola Rose
Robert L Rose 1
Ida E Cruse 9
Jasper Cruse 7
Eliza Cruse 3
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1853; Enumeration District: 182; FHL microfilm: 1241853.
looks like page 17B

ida e. cruse, niece, indian female, b. nov. 1890, age 9, single, b. indian territory, parents b. unknown,

at school, reads but doesn’t write
jasper, nephew, indian male, b. sept. 1892, age 7, single, b. indian territory, parents b. unknown, at

school
eliza, niece, indian female, b. jan. 1897, age 3, single, b. indian territory, parents b. unknown
ida, jasper, and eliza are listed as 3/8 white from both sides of the family. blank enrollment date. the

blood quantum would be 5/8 choctaw for the children, which would mean that one parent is fullblood choctaw and the other parent is 1/4 choctaw.

previous page,
nettie a. rose is listed as 3/4 white, 1/4 choctaw from her mother’s side. that would mean that she is 1/4

choctaw.

note that nettie’s blood quantum appears to be the same as the possible parent for the children. she might be the sister of the children’s mother. the relationship appears to substantiate that also.

i would venture a guess that lillian might be eliza.
since your post doesn’t mention sibling birthdates, i think i have to look at those too.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Monds Jane 0 F 4343 P
Choctaw Monds Sam 0 M 4343 P
Choctaw Rose Elsie 0 F 4343 P
Choctaw Rose William 0 M 4343 P
Choctaw Rose Earnest 1 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Robert F 1 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Osceola 4 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Otto 5 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Della 9 F 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Charles C 10 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Nettie 26 F 1/8 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Christopher C 35 M IW 4343 NR ATOKA BB
bb=by blood
iw=intermarried white, a general nontribal description
p=parent

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Rose Christopher C 0 M NB307 P
Choctaw Rose Nettie 0 F NB307 P
Choctaw Rose Preston Harral 1 M 1/16 NB307 NB1290 ATOKA NB

nb-newborn

i am wondering whether this family might be related to my husband’s family. feel free to email me at some point. i do not have documents for this branch, if it is the same branch of the family. i am referring to the monds. i don’t think i can help you with this, because i lack information. i would have to go through the documents again to find this reference. i cannot remember the details at this time.

nettie’s maiden name was likely monds.

Nettie Angaline Monds (1872 – Unknown)

Found 10 Records , 5 Photos and 5,908 Family Trees

Born in Atoka, Oklahoma, USA on 12 Apr 1872 to Sam Monds and Mary Jane James. Nettie Angaline married Christopher Columbus Rose and had 7 children.

Family Members
Parents
Sam Monds
1855-UnknownMary Jane James
Unknown-1899
Spouses & Children
Christopher Columbus Rose
1862-1956

Preston Rose Charles C Rose Della Rose Otto C Rose Osceola Rose Robert F Rose Earnest R Rose

Christopher Columbus Rose (1862 – 1956)

Found 10 Records , 10 Photos and 1,634,810 Family Trees

Born in Atoka on 5 Mar 1862 to William Rose and Elsie. Christopher Columbus married Nettie Angaline Monds and had 7 children. He passed away on 9 Nov 1956 in Atoka, Oklahoma, USA.

Sam Monds (1855 – Unknown)

Found 10 Records , 5,908 Family Trees

Born on 1855. Sam married Mary Jane James and had 2 children. He passed away in Tupelo, Oklahoma, USA.

Mary Jane James
Unknown-1899

Richard Farris Monds Nettie Angaline Monds

Mary Jane James (Unknown – 1899)

Found 10 Records , 8 Photos and 2,300,224 Family Trees

Born in Jacks Fork, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory. Mary Jane married Sam Monds and had 2 children. She passed away on 1899 in Indian Territory.

these marriage records might be pertinent:
Monds, Nettie , – , No Address , C.N., I.T., to Ross, Columbus C. , – , No Addrss , 18 Sep 1888

Monds, Rosie , 32 , Wilburton , C.N., I.T., to Blakely, Robert , 33 , Wilburton , 3 Dec 1904

U.S. Court – Second Judicial Division
http://www.mccurtaingensoc.com/

other applications that mention sam monds:

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Monds Mary J 0 F 4344 P
Choctaw Monds Sam 0 M 4344 P
Choctaw Zanola Bytrice 0 F 4344 P
Choctaw Zanola Joe 0 M 4344 P
Choctaw Zanola Noah 1 M 1/16 4344 NR COALGATE BB
Choctaw Zanola Wavely 1 F 1/16 4344 NR COALGATE BB
Choctaw Zanola Hester 2 F 1/16 4344 NR COALGATE BB
Choctaw Zanola Annie 4 F 1/16 4344 NR COALGATE BB
Choctaw Zanola Augestine 5 M 1/16 4344 NR COALGATE BB
Choctaw Zanola Mildred 22 F 1/8 4344 NR COALGATE BB
Choctaw Zanola John 49 M IW 4344 NR COALGATE BB

this is probably not the mother because mildred was too young to have the children listed. however, mildred is probably a sister of nettie and likely a sister of the mother of the children.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Monds Jane 0 F 4143 P
Choctaw Monds Sam 0 M 4143 P
Choctaw Monds Frank 1 M 1/16 4143 NR OWL BB
Choctaw Monds Josie Lee 1 F 1/16 4143 NR OWL BB
Choctaw Monds Nevada 1 F 1/16 4143 NR OWL BB
Choctaw Monds Farris 2 M 1/16 4143 NR OWL BB
Choctaw Monds Minda L 4 F 1/16 4143 NR OWL BB
Choctaw Monds Mollie 28 F IW 4143 NR OWL BB
Choctaw Monds Richard 28 M 1/8 4143 NR OWL BB
Choctaw Tudor Jack 0 M 4143 P
Choctaw Tudor Julie 0 F 4143 P

richard appears to be a brother of nettie and mildred.

you must have found them in 1910 but did not give their location.

since there are no birthdates or locations in your post, i am having difficulty finding records.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common

surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to

include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth

certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your

grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on

file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might

have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are

helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or

marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start

with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful.

census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census

records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be

public information in 2012.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another

useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times

their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with

accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=green&s_first=mart&s_middle=&s_tribe=
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a

relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the

time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a

date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time

of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might

have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if

you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are

buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before

1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth

certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be

under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census

was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state

census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two

databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA

(http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they

didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or

benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly,

they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see

other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are

especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available

online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary

loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for

oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have

microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw

Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When

US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any

benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents

(application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they

will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can

get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find

a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births,

marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not

taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to

do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to

be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the

family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your

family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe

located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called

choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a

database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there

are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA

http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal

enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching

google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal

recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to

see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request

the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Ashley Ashley

posted on June 6, 2012

I saw your message and I may have some information for you. I am a descendant of Christopher Columbus Rose and Nettie Angeline (MONDS) Rose. I have done some genealogy and I think we may be related. I too am also searching for more information. I would love to see if we are from the same family line. Please contact me at thornrose4444@gmail.com. I would love to see if we are related and to share what I have with you. Ashley