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adopted want info on my Grandmother w/Lampkins name

kathy mitchell kathy mitchell

posted on February 11, 2012

i was adopted and found my bio family name, need to find info on my grandmother Doshie Lelah Lampkins, my birthmothers birth certificate says my grandmother was born in Choctaw Nation Oklahoma in 1910
i have done extensive research on ancestry.com and can find no records of her at all. is there somewhere to look other than the standard records. i am wondering if they had any records back then. maybe some indian records that i have not found? any help would be apreciated

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 12, 2012

is lampkins her maiden name? her married name? who was her spouse? who was her child? doshie could be spelled variously and could be a nickname for theodosia/theodocia. lampkins could also be spelled differently.

1920 United States Federal Census about Dosia Lampkin
Name: Dosia Lampkin
Age: 9
Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1920: Justice Precinct 2, Wichita, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Granddaughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Delila Bateman 58
Liga Bateman 18
Theodore Bateman 15
Dosia Lampkin 9
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Justice Precinct 2, Wichita, Texas; Roll: T625_1859; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 128; Image: 276.

1910 United States Federal Census about Docia Lampkins
Name: Docia Lampkins
Age in 1910: 2/12
0
Birth Year: abt 1910
1910
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: James M Lampkins
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Lily J Lampkins
Mother’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James M Lampkins 34
39
Lily J Lampkins 21
Filmer Lampkins 3
Docia Lampkins 2/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1247; Page: 16A; Enumeration District: 0068; Image: 455; FHL Number: 1375260.

it appears to me that james lampkins did not apply for enrollment in the choctaw tribe.
enumerated may 13, 1900 by woosley william
james m. lampkins, head, white male, age 34, married twice, this time for 7 years, b. AR, father b. KY, mother b. AR, he’s a tander? in a plumer? mill, reads and writes, owns the farm free and clear? might be a house rather than a farm.
lily j., wife, white female, age 21, married once for 7 years, had 3 children but only 2 survive, b. AR, parents b. MS
filmer?, son, white, male, age 3, single, b. TX
docia, daughter, white female, age 2 months, single, b. OK
this enumerator’s handwriting is somewhat difficult. handwriting was not standardized until the 1920’s.

if you have any name corrections for any census entry from ancestry.com, you can make them on that website so that others can find your family.

could this be the parents?
Arkansas, County Marriages Index, 1837-1957 about Callie Jones
Name: Callie Jones
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1877
Residence: Panola, Mississippi
Spouse’s Name: James Lampkin
Spouse’s Age: 24
Spouse’s Residence: Woodruff, Arkansas
Marriage Date: 3 Jun 1903
Marriage License Date: 29 May 1903
Marriage County: Woodruff
Event Type: Marriage
FHL Film Number: 1019391

if this was your family, you should look for a tribe near where they were living in about 1900. there may be a state-recognized tribe or a federally-recognized tribe. then you can ask them if someone enrolled.

you should get a copy of docia’s birth certificate or delayed birth certificate.
http://www.ok.gov/health/Birth_and_Death_Certificates/Birth_Certificates/
you need to ask for both documents. oklahoma became a state in 1907 but congress required vital records to be kept by each state in the 1920’s. on 1/1/1937, social security went into affect and all who were alive at that time applied. they had to submit a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate to show proof of age.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common

surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to

include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth

certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your

grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on

file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might

have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are

helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or

marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start

with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful.

census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census

records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be

public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they

didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or

benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly,

they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see

other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are

especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available

online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary

loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for

oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have

microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw

Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When

US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any

benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents

(application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they

will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can

get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find

a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births,

marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not

taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to

do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to

be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the

family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your

family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe

located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called

choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a

database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there

are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA

http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal

enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching

google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal

recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to

see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request

the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

kathy mitchell kathy mitchell

posted on February 27, 2012

thank you Suzanne, i had found this Dosia you reference, it seems she went to live with her grandmother. no record of the mother after the 1920 census, or the brother Filmer. i too thought that James remarried but not sure if it is the same person.
i found a bio-half brother and he too has tried to find info. he said no one will give him her birth records from the gov even though she is dead. i can’t prove i’m related so it is not possible for me.
her maiden name was Lampkins as far as i can find. i have a copy of her marriage cert and that is the name she used to marry
Tom w. Pigg. i have found his records but want to know of hers.
i will work on what info you gave me and pass on info to my bio-brother. hope he can get info i can’t.
thanks again

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 27, 2012

it has been over 100 years since this person was born. contact the state vital records and find out if you can get a genealogical copy of the birth certificate.
you should also be likely to be able to get a copy of the death certificate.
also try the obituary, see your local public library for that.

if you don’t have much information on dosia, then back up a generation.
who are the children?
where did they live, when?
who were their spouses? did they have children?
find them in the census. your local public library probably has subscriptions to heritage quest and ancestry.com for the census and other records.
in 1800-1900, you will not be able to find natives on the federal census records if they were living on a reservation and not taxed. those native census records can be found on accessgenealogy.com
see the links on the left, native rolls and census records.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

the social security administration began 1/1/1937. anyone who passed away after that date had an application on file.
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
when they applied, they would have had to show a birth record to show proof of age. people often submitted a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate. when you request a birth record from state vital records or state archives, you have to ask for both the birth certificate and delayed birth certificate.

childrens’ documents point to the parents, fix the family to a date and location.

location is a strong indication of affiliation with a nearby tribe.
so knowing where your family lived 1800-1930 is advantageous.

when you do know, google the state and tribe.
you can find maps, written locations, address of tribes/contact for tribe.

state archives might have information about the family. they might have historical newspapers, early vital records. some could be online or some might have to be requested. a lot of information is not yet online.
state historical society might have newspapers, early vital records also.
try interlibrary loan at your local public library for access to books, newspapers.
state vital records is often the repository for marriage, birth and death records. county clerks might also have these.

when i am looking for someone, i start with the death and go backwards.
obituaries might be in local historical newspapers – your public library.
death certificate – state vital records
cemetery record – try findagrave.com or interment.net

rootsweb.com has tribe, location, surname webprojects. genealogy.com and rootsweb.com have messageboards for tribe, location, surnames.
rootsweb.com also has worldconnect records, where people can enter their family tree. if you find a family tree with your family, contact the person who posted it. cousins like to hear from other cousins. exchange resources and information with them.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Rebecca Chapman Rebecca Chapman

posted on April 15, 2012

Kathy, My grandfather was Jim John Barker, his mother was Delila (Mary Delila Hall Barker Bateman). Doshia (many different spellings, I have found) must have been Delila’s grandaughter. I have a picture of her with all of my family back then, She would have been about 10 or so. I too have had the hardest time with my family tree. It is so complicated because it seems they sometimes died young or married again and again. They had many children. I do know FOR SURE that this girl in my picture would be I guess your grandmother. I could skip her, because she is not part of “my story”, however, I can’t seem to do that, I want to find out who her mother was. My grandfather had a sister named Matilda Jane Barker, and I can not find a thing on her, except that she shows up on the census. I am not sure if Doshia’s mother was Delila’s bio grndaughter or James W Barker’s bio grndaughter. I am guessing Delila’s, she was already remarried to Mr. Bateman when d
Doshia lived with them. I am rambling, sorry. My mother always, always told me her heritage was called Black Dutch (Indian) I have met only one other person in my life that used that term. I think it was used because they didn’t want people to move them, or not let them get jobs, etc. If you have found more information, please let me know, you are the first person that I have actually come across that has this in common with me.

kathy mitchell kathy mitchell

posted on May 30, 2012

Rebecca, this person Doshia is the only person i could find close to my grandmothers info. everyone seems to come back to the same person. i have no way to know for sure. i have one living half-brother and he does not know either. he has tried to get a copy of her birth cert and they will not give it to him. since i was given up for adoption by her daughter i am not able to get info.
i have been unable to trace my grandmothers parents or even to be sure who they are. thought to be Lily J. mother, but if so i seee no connection to a daughter of Mary Delila with that name.
i wish i could help you butt i am at a loss myself. it is so flustrating not to be able to find any info. the fact that you are having the same problem leads me to believe it may be the same person
where is the picture of this 10 year old girl? i believe to be my grandmother? i wonder why she went to live with her grandmother? i believe her father remarried but no record of her mother to be found. possibly passed.
anyway sorry i can’t help you. regards kathy

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 31, 2012

it would seem that you would qualify under this:

Genealogist

Complete Application Signature of Applicant on Application Proper fees 1 primary form of ID of the Applicant (Note: OK Driver’s License cannot be expired) If subject on file as deceased – may release (may request DC) If subject is not deceased – statement from subject releasing the record

do you have a copy of her death certificate (DC)?

http://www.ok.gov/health/Birth_and_Death_Certificates/Birth_Certificate_Eligibility/index.html

do you have a copy of your mother’s birth certificate?
that would also list the relative as her mother.

kathy mitchell kathy mitchell

posted on June 17, 2013

Rebecca…i just received a pic from my half brother. may be the same pic you mentioned. it is of your grandfather his half brother my grandmother and her grandmother. also someone named Grace Barker. i have not been able to determine if Delila is my grandmothers maternal grandmother or not. i did not see a name that matched my grandmothers mothers name on any records on ancestry. it appears that we are on the right path. have you found anything new since your last post? my email is puppy002@frontier.com. i would lov to talk to you if you want to compare notes.