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Brandee Gardner Brandee Gardner

posted on August 7, 2010

My family and I have been searching for a viable connection betwween my gr.grandfather James Curtis Gardner, born 6/6/1887, and his father James Franklin Gardner,b.1865 to Samuel Gardner, roll # 10658. We are in possession of papers for Samuel Gardner and believe he may be a relative, therefore making us Choctaw by blood. I have exhausted my abilitites to laocate information. Does anyone have any idea how I can establish this connection? Why would my family be in possession of these important papers if we did not have a connection?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 7, 2010

do you have a copy of the enrollment papers? ask nara, http://www.nara.gov fort worth office, or oklahoma historical society, or footnote.com.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

james franklin gardner b. 1865>james curtis gardner b. 6/6/1887

samuel gardner, #10658

An image file for page 30 is available at:
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/35/18/35-1799a.gif
=================== CENSUS YEAR: 1898-1914 TITLE: Native American TRIBE: Five Civilized Tribes MICROFILM#: M1186-1 QUANTUM: Choctaw, by Blood ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PG# LN# ROLL_NO. LAST_NAME FIRST_NAME REMARKS ===================

30 40b 10658 Gardner Samuel G.
30 41b 10659 Gardner Willie
30 42b 10660 Gardner Martin L.
30 43b 10661 Gardner Leroy

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Gardner Green 0 M 3776 P
Choctaw Gardner Harriet 0 F 3776 P
Choctaw Gardner Leroy 1 M 1/4 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Martin L 4 M 1/4 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Willie 8 M 1/4 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Florence 30 F IW 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Samuel G 35 M 1/2 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw McCurdy Mary E 28 F NR 3776 MCR
Choctaw Wolfe Henry 0 M 3776 P
Choctaw Wolfe Mollie 0 F 3776 P

these are the people on card 3776, in samuel g. gardner’s family group.

btw, you might be choctaw by blood, but you must be directly descended from an original enrollee of the tribe in order to enroll.

i don’t know what papers you are talking about.

samuel gardner is a rather common name.
these are the samuel gardner records in the state of oklahoma:
Census & Voter Lists 31
13 1930 United States Federal Census
7 1920 United States Federal Census
4 1910 United States Federal Census
3 1900 United States Federal Census
2 1860 United States Federal Census
» View all 31 results

there are other sam/samuel gardners on the dawes roll also.
Dawes Results
Total Records: 4 Tribe Last First Middle Age Sex Blood Card Roll Misc Type
Chickasaw Gardner Sam 6 M 1/4 1029 3089 BB
Choctaw Gardner Sam 70 M FULL 3477 NR BOKCHITO BB
Choctaw Gardner Samuel 0 M 3379 P
Choctaw Gardner Samuel G 35 M 1/2 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB

this is one of the problems, probably. the trail of tears in the late 1830’s didn’t go through texas. but many unofficial migrations did. those people were usually referred to as mississippi choctaw. see the link in this post about that tribe.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about James Cirtus Gardner
Name: James Cirtus Gardner
County: Jefferson
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Texas;United States of America
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1887
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851783
DraftBoard: 0
he was born in clarksville, TX. he has a wife and child.

unfortunately, i don’t know the name of the spouse of either james gardner. so i have to stop here.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather thann less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 8, 2010

Name Age
I. W. Gardner 59
Harriet Gardner 82
M. C. Gardner 42
James F. Gardner 14
H. A. Gardner 11
J. F. Gardner 7
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Red River, Texas; Roll 1323; Family History Film: 1255323; Page: 161B; Enumeration District: 98; .

it appears that this family may have made a late migration from tennessee to texas. they were probably not living on a reservation when they were in tennessee. and they didn’t go on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s.

you should look at the geographic area for clues about their possible tribal affiliation.
family members may have obituaries, newspaper mentions about events in their lives, such as marriage or death or birth. maybe the head of household accepted a termination late grant in lieu of tribal enrollment. perhaps local history books mentioned them.
maybe they were on a native census.
look at the databases, census, rolls on this webpage.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

you might even find that samuel is related to you, which would give you tribal affiliation.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Gardner Green 0 M 3776 P
Choctaw Gardner Harriet 0 F 3776 P
Choctaw Gardner Leroy 1 M 1/4 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Martin L 4 M 1/4 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Willie 8 M 1/4 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Florence 30 F IW 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Gardner Samuel G 35 M 1/2 3776 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw McCurdy Mary E 28 F NR 3776 MCR
Choctaw Wolfe Henry 0 M 3776 P
Choctaw Wolfe Mollie 0 F 3776 P

you should ask for a copy of the enrollment application for this samuel g. gardner. i am looking at that harriet name as a parent, and thinking that looks like the harriet name in the 1880 census.

harriet is the mother in the 1880 census. m.c. is the wife.
harriet was. b. ~1798 TN
but we don’t know if she was samuel’s mother.

i don’t know if this is your harriet:
Name Age
Supio V Peters 60
Rosanna Peters 30
Ann Peters 20
Eudora Peters 12
Richard Peters 14
Anna Peters 4
William Peters 3
Charley Peters 1
Amy Peters 20
Palina Peters 3/12
Caleb Heatherly 20
William H Guthrie 46
Nancy Guthrie 31
Andrew J Guthrie 1/24
Harriet Gardner 70
Martha L Gardner 25
Judith Wilson 13
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Precinct 3, Bowie, Texas; Roll M593_1576; Page: 454A; Image: 213; Family History Library Film: 553075.
this is a farm. judith wilson is a servant. it is unclear about relationships or roles.

then there’s this census record, another monkey wrench for you.
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Precinct 3, Bowie, Texas; Roll M593_1576; Page: 454A; Image: 213; Family History Library Film: 553075.

i think you need to know more about the children and then you can go back in time.
if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they filled out a social security application and submitted a birth certificate when they applied 1/1/1937. since many in the frontier didn’t have official birth certificates, their family gave affidavits and they got delayed birth certificates. you should get those documents. the dawes application would also have genealogical information.

this interview might help:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/people/original-enrollees/gardner-susie-mattie/

I am looking for information on Ida Lick who married James Gardner and Jerry Gardner brothers and son’s of Noel Gardner. Jerry and Ida had one daughter Dota Gardner. She had twin daughters with James, Willie who died when she was about 11 years old and Jo who married Hope Kinney. Any information on these people would be appreciated.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/ok/choctaw/messages/485.html

these pioneer papers might help you too:
http://www.okgenweb.org/pioneer/pioneer.htm

16. HARRIETT5 JAMES (BENJAMIN4, BENJAMIN3, BENJAMIN2, UNKNOWN1) was born Abt. 1841 in Choctaw Nation, and died Unknown. She married GREENWOOD GARDNER Abt. 1864, son of JEREMIAH GARDNER and SARAH HALL. He was born 01 Jan 1841, and died 12 Jul 1899 in ArmstrongAcademy, Blue County, Pushmataha Dist., Choctaw Nation.

Child of HARRIETT JAMES and GREENWOOD GARDNER is:
i.SAMUEL GREENWOOD6 GARDNER, b. 25 Sep 1864, Blue County, Pushmataha Dist., Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; d. 26 Jan 1930, ArmstrongAcademy, Blue County, Pushmataha Dist., Choctaw Nation; m. FLORENCE A. WOLFE, Abt. 1886, ArmstrongAcademy, Blue County, Pushmataha Dist., Choctaw Nation; b. Abt. 1864; d. Unknown.

http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/jamesfamily.html
this samuel g. gardner was b. 1864 OK.

you need to get documentation on the children and that will tie you to the parents.
i’m just looking up on the internet. you need documents.

gl.

Norm W. Gardner Norm W. Gardner

posted on August 29, 2011

JEREMIAH GARDNER born 1790 Mobile, Alabama (died circa 1850 in Wheelock, Oklahoma) he married SARAH HALL born circa 1800 in Choctaw Nation, Alabama (died circa 1850 in Eagle Town, Apulshunubee Dist, CN). They were married on June 21, 1818 in Marengo County, Alabama.

Children of JEREMIAH GARDNER and SARAH HALL:
1. SALINA GARDNER; B – 1825; D – Unknown
2. WILLIAM A. GARDNER; B – Oct 1828, D – May 1891
3. JINCY JANE GARDNER; B – Oct 1832, D – April 1870
4. SAMUEL GARDNER; B – Oct 1833, D – January 1900
5. CALVIN GARDNER; B – Oct 1837, D – Unknown
6. GREENWOOD GARDNER; B – Jan 1, 1841 Little River, CN,
IT, D – July 12, 1899 Academy, OK, CN, IT, buried at
Armstrong Academy Cemetery.
7. SUSAN GARDNER; B – 1844, D – Unknown

I am related to GREENWOOD GARDNER, he married HARRIETT JAMES.
They had a child SAMUEL GREENWOOD GARDNER (Roll#10658) b-September 25, 1864, d-January 26, 1930 – Buried Armstrong Academy, CN “Choctaw Nation”, who married FLORENCE A. WOLFE (Roll#IW348) b-August 16, 1869; d- September 21, 1940, buried Armstrong Academy.

Children of SAMUEL GREENWOOD GARDNER and FLORENCE A. WOLFE
1. BENJAMIN JAMES HENRY GARDNER; b-October 24, 1887, Academy, CN; d-September 5, 1891, buried Armstrong Academy.
2. WILLIAM ROSCOE GARDNER; b-May 3, 1891, Paris TX; d-June 14, Peace River, AB, Canada
3. MARTIN LUTHER GARDNER; b-January 10, 1896, Academy, CN; d-Unknown
4. LEROY GARDNER; b-December 1, 1901 Academy, CN

I can provide historical info on the Children of SAMUEL GREENWOOD GARDNER and FLORENCE A. WOLFE Numbers 1 through 4 if you require further data.
Kind Regards
Norman Walter Gardner

francesbates francesbates

posted on May 7, 2012

greenwood gardner was my greatgrandfrather.luther andleroy was my uncles my gfather eas edward nail gardner

francesbates francesbates

posted on May 7, 2012

greenwood gardner was my greatgrandfrather.luther andleroy was my uncles my gfather eas edward nail gardner

francesbates francesbates

posted on May 7, 2012

greenwood gardner was my greatgrandfrather.luther andleroy was my uncles my gfather eas edward nail gardner

Jennifer Gardner Hartley Jennifer Gardner Hartley

posted on June 20, 2012

My great great grandfather was Samuel Greenwood Gardner. I do have an extensive family tree if you need assistance.

Norm W. Gardner Norm W. Gardner

posted on September 26, 2012

Jennifer
My name is Norm W. Gardner, Samuel Greenwood Gardner is my Great Great Garndfather. I would like to explore the possibility of combining our research on the Family History.
I have documentation which establishes the line as follows:
Sumuel Greenwood Gardner down to Williard (William) Roscoe Gardner down to Norman Eddie Gardner down to Walter Norman Gardner to me – Norman Walter Gardner. However I have only limited information on Greenwood W. Gardner (father of Samuel Greenwood Gardner) and Jeremiah Gardner (Father of Greenwood W. Gardner)…if there is anything that you help with, please send me a note. vrtxls@me.com I would like to pursue that Family line prior to Jeremiah Gardner …Thanks so much for any information you wish to share.