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Jacob / Wesley

Effiesk2 Effiesk2

posted on September 18, 2011 and updated on September 18, 2011

Looking for any information on Jacob / Wesley family lineage.
Don’t know much about my hertiage but willing to learn. I am the granddaughter of Folsom Jacob and Rhoda Wesley Jacob. Any information is appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 18, 2011

no dates, no location, no children in your post.

maybe this is your family:
Dawes Card Information

tribe

last

first

middle

age

sex

blood

card

roll

misc

type

Choctaw

Jacob

Eli

0

M

NB1020

P

Choctaw

Jacob

Milin

0

F

NB1020

P

Choctaw

Jacob

Folsom

1

M

FULL

NB1020

NB923

LUKFATA

NB

nb=newborn
p=parent
the card# is the family group #.

Dawes Card Information

tribe

last

first

middle

age

sex

blood

card

roll

misc

type

Choctaw

Wesley

Lenas

0

M

NB1148

P

Choctaw

Wesley

Salean

0

F

NB1148

P

Choctaw

Wesley

Rhoda

1

F

FULL

NB1148

NB1508

LUKFATA

NB

it appears to me that you should get a copy of the enrollment application, census card and testimony.
the oklahoma historical society has these dawes packets and the link is in this post.

NARA/national archives and records administration, fort worth office also has these packets. http://www.archives.gov

LESLIE JACOB, passed away 15 October 2005. He was the son of FOLSOM and RHODA JACOB who preceded him in death as did two brothers.
He is survived by 2 sons, 3 grandchildren and a sister.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CHAHTA/2006-04/1146428810

Social Security Death Index
about Lesley L. Jacob

Name:

Lesley L. Jacob

SSN:

445-42-3207

Born:

25 May 1943

Died:

15 Oct 2005

Birth: Jul. 25, 1901
Death: Nov. 25, 1992

Inscription:
Father
Daughters
Esther M.
Marie K.

Note: Double stone with Martha Jacob

Burial:
New Zion Cemetery
Tushka
Atoka County
Oklahoma, USA

http://www.findagrave.com
gravestone of folsom jacob sr. and martha jacob.
i don’t know if these are your relatives.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

State (Year) SSN issued:

Oklahoma (1959-1960)

Effiesk2 Effiesk2

posted on September 19, 2011

Thank you Suzanne,
I spent all weekend doing a little research. Some of the names are familiar but the names are mis-spelled. Maybe I have them mis-spelled.

I’m not sure who Martha Jacob is. My grandfather was buried in one cemetary and I believe my grandmother somewhere else. My grandmother is Rhoda Wesley Jacob.

Sure was alot reading but I’m sure I will get to where I need.

I really appreciate all the good information.

Effiesk2

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 19, 2011

you should start with what you know.
it sounds like you knew a name, but not much else.

what does the birth certificate of your parent say? do you have any obituaries from your family. if you don’t, you might be able to get obituaries through interlibrary loan. see your local public library for this.

death certificates are helpful. social security application is helpful. anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file. they also had to show proof of age, so they likely submitted a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate.

county records: vital records, birth, death, marriage, criminal records, land records, probate.
state archives: several of the county records, plus historical newspapers.
state genealogical society and state historical society: historical newspapers.

cemetery records: try findagrave.com and interment.com, if you don’t know where they were buried.

gl.

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on December 14, 2011

Hello, I am a grandson of Fulsom and Martha Cole Jacob, who are both buried in New Zion Cemetery, Atoka, OK. I believe
your Folsom Jacob( born 2/10/1904) was the son of Eli Jacob and Malin Thomas.
Rhoda Wesley was daughter of Lenas Wesley and Salean
(Selene) Tonihka, See these Dawes Packets
Choctaw by Blood Cards # 1251, # 897, # 843
Choctaw New Born Cards NB1020, NB1148
Also see 1900 Census Oak Hill, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
for Eli Jacob (born 1863) and 1910 Census Lukfata, McCurtain
County,OK for Rhoda Wesley (born 6/14/1904)
Check out www.okgenweb.org, pushmataha county
Administrator Record Book #4 for death of Lenas Wesley
If you want copies of these Dawes Roll Cards or any other
info I have , please call me at (408) 923-3243 and leave
a message, I will call back. I can provide an e-mail address then.
My name is Rayson Allen