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Info on Opal Ida Lamb 1888-1944

Cathy Gateley Cathy Gateley

posted on July 6, 2011

I am looking for any information on Opal Ida Lamb or James Franklin Lamb. James F. Lamb was my father’s grandfather and we have been told they were in or around Caddo, OK and once lived in Indian Nation Territory. Supposedly Aunt Ida was seeing an Indian and the Indian killed my great great grandfather. If anyone has seen anything about this, please let us know. Took place sometime around 1908 or 1909. Thank you.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 6, 2011

this is not much information and i can tell you that there are several james lamb records in oklahoma. perhaps this is the best one:
Name: James F Lamb
Home in 1900: Township 5, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 39
Birthplace: Tennessee
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse’s Name: Mary L Lamb
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James F Lamb 39
Mary L Lamb 38
James C Lamb 13
Opal L Lamb 10
Murtle L Lamb 10
Lawney E Lamb 8
Little L Lamb 6
Frank E Lamb 3
Thomas L Lamb 2
George G Lamb 6/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 5, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1853; Enumeration District: 183.

did aunt ida marry into your family? or did she have a different married name?

there is no other information, such as dates of birth, location, children, spouse. this usually means that you don’t have much documentation on the children.

i don’t see an enrollment application for them and most of the lamb surnames were designated MCR, mississippi choctaw, a separate tribe. native families that didn’t go on the trail of tears in the 1830’s were usually designated as MCR if they were probably native or said they were native and they were living in the southeast at the time. many came later.

oklahoma became a state in 1907, and was referred to as indian territory before that time. and in the 1800’s, it was also referred to as arkansas territory. also, see the oklahoma land rushes.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Cathy Gateley Cathy Gateley

posted on July 6, 2011

Thank you Suzanne, I appreciate your help. I will try to obtain more information. Cathy G.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 6, 2011

i don’t know if this will help you:

township 5 south, range 10 east in caddo, OK
james f. lamb, head, white male, b. june 1860, age 39, married 16 years, b. TN, parents b. TN, carpenter, reads and writes, owns the house free and clear.
mary f. wife, white female, b. april 1868, age 39, married 16 years, had 8 children and all survive, b. TN, parents b. TN
james c., son, white male, b. aug. 1886, single, b. TX, at school
opal l., daughter, white female, b. sept. 1889, single, b. TX, at school
myrtle l., daughter, white female, b. mar. 1890, age 10, single, b. indian territory
tawney/lawney e., son, white male, b. may 1892, age 8, single, b. indian territory
little? l., daughter, white female, b. sept. 1893, age 6, single, b. indian territory
frank e., son, white male, b. june 1896, age 3, single, b. indian territory
thomas l., son, white male, b. jan. 1898, age 2, single, b. indian territory
george g., son, white male, b. dec. 1899, age 6 months, single, b. indian territory
enumerated june 30, 1900

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Frank Eler Lamb
Name: Frank Eler Lamb
City: Fort Worth
County: Tarrant
State: Texas
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1896
FHL Roll Number: 1953358
DraftBoard: 1
he has a sister named ida lamb.

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Frank Ellery Lamb
Name: Frank Ellery Lamb
Social Security #: 0
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1896
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Death Date: 19 Nov 1951
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother’s Maiden Name: Freemman
Father’s Surname: Franklin

1910 United States Federal Census
about Ida Lamb
Name: Ida Lamb
Age in 1910: 21
Estimated Birth Year: 1889
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of House: Sister
Father’s Birth Place: Tennessee
Mother’s Birth Place: Texas
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 1, Tarrant, Texas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Cecil Lamb 23
Dora Lamb 21
Mc Gregar Lamb 4
Lucile Lamb 3/12
0
Ida Lamb 21
Myrtle Lamb 19
Lonnie Lamb 17
Leafy Lamb 16
Ellery Lamb 13
Lea Lamb 12
Georgia Lamb 10
Ira Lamb 7
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Justice Precinct 1, Tarrant, Texas; Roll: T624_1590; Page: 20A; Enumeration District: 0090; Image: 232; FHL Number: 1375603.

Cathy Gateley Cathy Gateley

posted on July 11, 2011

Thanks again Suzanne. I have given this information to my dad and he is going to try to track down some more facts. He is also going to check out the other websites that you referred us to. Thank you for your help. Cathy G.

Robbie Lamb Robbie Lamb

posted on August 5, 2011

cathy, I don’t know if my post took, but my grandfather was James F. Lamb’s brother. I have information you might need, and you probably have some I need.

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